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Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by insickness »

One can say that record labels brought the piracy problem on themselves by looking to create barriers to content while pirates worked to create access to content.

However, it's erroneous for an individual to argue that he has a right to pirate because the industry created barriers to their own content. It's counterproductive to the anti-censorship movement.

Instead, we should focus on the fact that the music industry has been anti-effective and is now using censorship to compensate for their reluctance to change.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by Alexx »

epo wrote: post #23
Apreche wrote: post #5

The only problem I have with this article is this line: "since when does that suddenly mean that you can decide that you are no longer going to pay for products that both legally and morally you are obliged to pay for, yet still use them?" Legally obliged to pay for? Yes. Morally? No. I have no moral problem with piracy. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Those are the foundations of my morality. I wo…

You have no idea what you are talking about, I'm guessing this is because you have never created anything worthwhile on which your livelihood depended. I'm sure you'd be quick to whine if your employer (assuming you are old enough to work) could decide whether or not you should be paid for your work after you had done it. I hope you congratulate the next person to steal from you with a cheery "well done, that's my mo…

This misses the fundamental difference between someone choosing to distribute their work for free, and working under false promise of financial reward.

Ignoring the condescending tone of this comment, there are many 'creators' in the world who have no desire to personally profit from their work. That is not the issue being raised.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by JulianMorrison »

The law is just a thing I follow to avoid inconvenience, when necessary. It's completely distinct from my morality. And, my morality simply does not see copying as stealing, pirating, thermonuclear mass-murder, or whatever blood curdling words you use to label it. It remains copying, and is fine.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by [deleted] »

wazoox wrote: post #12

I solved this problem the "hard" way a long time ago. I don't use windows, at all, but GNU/Linux (Yeah, I'm this sort of guy, too). And you know what, as time goes by it's actually less and less of an actual problem; heck, I was even able to buy games for my box this year, thank you Humble Bundle! OK, this isn't free software, but at least you don't feel like you've been anally raped with barbed wire. And music? Well…

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Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by lachyg »

etherael wrote: post #35

Piracy isn't as desirable as a straight boycott of the parties that are currently trying to break the Internet, but at least pirates aren't feeding the beast. Those companies deserve complete destruction for what they have done

What have they 'done'?

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by lachyg »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #33

The law is just a thing I follow to avoid inconvenience, when necessary. It's completely distinct from my morality. And, my morality simply does not see copying as stealing, pirating, thermonuclear mass-murder, or whatever blood curdling words you use to label it. It remains copying, and is fine.

Why don't you see it as immoral or stealing? These companies spend millions on these movies, countless people work on them and depend on them for their wages (not just the actors, but the support crew, the caterers, the make up artists, the lighting crew, editing, post production, script writers, casting agents, location scouts, etc etc). They then charge people a small price for the right to view their work (either in the form of a subscription to Netflix, a movie ticket, an iTunes sale, or a DVD). Yet you think it's moral and fine to have this without paying the authors?

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by michael_dorfman »

rplst8 wrote: post #21

"if you want to protest the crappy way these companies treat their customers, don't buy their stuff. but you can't have your cake and eat it. protest by not using or having it at all. they have something you want; even if you don't agree with their methods, it is still theirs to decide what to do with. all you are doing is supporting the industry in their drive to stamp out pirates; instead, support legal ways of obt…

Recording companies have a monopoly on the artists they cover.

And that's the artist's choice. The artist could choose to distribute their work in some other fashion. So, if you want the artist's product, you have to buy it via the means chosen by that artist.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Post by sequoia »

wazoox wrote: post #12

I solved this problem the "hard" way a long time ago. I don't use windows, at all, but GNU/Linux (Yeah, I'm this sort of guy, too). And you know what, as time goes by it's actually less and less of an actual problem; heck, I was even able to buy games for my box this year, thank you Humble Bundle! OK, this isn't free software, but at least you don't feel like you've been anally raped with barbed wire. And music? Well…

I agree with you but I'm voting down. There's no need to use violent rape analogies when talking about someone requiring you to activate over the phone. Turn it down a notch please.
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