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Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by brigandish »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #263
jraph wrote: post #260

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> By allowing choice you are taking a neutral path. By deciding to serve meat to people who want it, you already decided that the necessary meat production is okay enough that your org will endorse it, which is not consensual. Many vegetarian people stopped eating meat not for their own comfort and pleasure, but because they actually think meat is not okay (for environmental reasons, for the animal suffering, or what…

Well said, but one of your examples is not quite like the others: > Is [singular they] neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural? Singular “they” is actually the traditional English approach. "Neutral he" is a neo-Latinate prescriptivism: it was relatively obscure until Victorian-era schooling¹ drummed these Rules of English Grammar into everybody's heads.² Even people wh…

> > Is [singular they] neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural?

> Singular “they” is actually the traditional English approach.

It's traditional for those of unknown gender. I believe (we could always ask) that the statement you're replying to implies "Is [singular they] for those of known gender neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural?" because that's the new use.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by brigandish »

wolverine876 wrote: post #259
jraph wrote: post #225

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> What he did wasn't immoral ... to you. Like you say in this very comment, morality / ethics is personal / specific to each person. If you did something legal I despise (I might even think what you did was moral, but still strongly disagree), I understand that you did something legal but still might reject the idea to have you near me or representing something I like and might employ legal means to try to get rid of…

> morality / ethics is personal / specific to each person It's not. Almost all of humanity, every culture now or historical, has agreed on many of these things. Others have very wide support, including universal human rights (which include your rights). You can find many arguments supporting these things, throughout human history. Societies and much of the world agree on them (including universal human rights). Resea…

> > morality / ethics is personal / specific to each person

> It's not. Almost all of humanity, every culture now or historical, has agreed on many of these things.

What's the need for agreement if individuals are not involved? And why would agreement invalidate morality and ethics being personal?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by cookie_monsta »

Operative0198 wrote: post #109
vorticalbox wrote: post #101

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honesty not all telemetry is bad. having it track cashes and upload that data is clearly good for usability.

True. However Mozilla's Firefox has some of the worst telemetry possible. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...

But a) that link is about desktop and b) Google don't need to do this on android because they've already ID'd you up the kazoo by requiring a gmail account to even use the OS

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jraph »

brigandish wrote: post #271
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said, but one of your examples is not quite like the others: > Is [singular they] neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural? Singular “they” is actually the traditional English approach. "Neutral he" is a neo-Latinate prescriptivism: it was relatively obscure until Victorian-era schooling¹ drummed these Rules of English Grammar into everybody's heads.² Even people wh…

> > Is [singular they] neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural? > Singular “they” is actually the traditional English approach. It's traditional for those of unknown gender . I believe (we could always ask) that the statement you're replying to implies "Is [singular they] for those of known gender neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't…

I actually somehow knew that singular they is not exactly new, but not to this level of details.

But that only makes the argument more interesting: something that was normal was lost, and is now somehow coming back in some form… with push backs like "it breaks the English grammar" , where English actually already worked like this before (for the exact same use or not). Push backs I saw here on HN, or on RMS's website [1]. Regardless the new use, the grammar construct was actually there all along.

I love both your and the parent answers by the way, thanks!

[1] https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by piyush_soni »

iggldiggl wrote: post #249
Mystery-Machine wrote: post #229

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TamperMonkey has a terrible embedded editor. It assumes 4 spaces formatting and some other shit that I don't like, but can't change. I'm also lazy to switch to something else. I just wish they would fix the editor.

Oh the days when user scripts were simply files on your hard disk and could simply be directly edited (and e.g. also globally searched) by the text editor of your choice…

You can actually still use an offline Text editor with TamperMonkey as well (at least with their latest UI, I just checked it)

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by piyush_soni »

onurtag wrote: post #230
piyush_soni wrote: post #28

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What exactly is better in ViolentMonkey? Just want to know because I keep working with userscripts and after GreaseMonkey's collapse TamperMonkey has been my default userscript manager.

I'll pinch in with Tampermonkey's upsides compared to Violentmonkey. Tampermonkey supports @connect [1] which lets you take an action whenever a script connects to a domain that isn't listed in its meta fields. Tampermonkey also warns you whenever a script modifies its @include/@match/@connect fiels with an update. [1]: https://www.tampermonkey.net/documentation.php?locale=en#met...

Yes, I was waiting for someone to write about it, but no one else did. I can see such a vast API that TamperMonkey offers in comparison to the competition. I don't have an immediate use of that extended API, but can definitely see using them in future.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by qwertox »

From https://www.tampermonkey.net/imprint.php :

Die Datenschutzrichtlinien finden Sie hier [0].

I would have expected a bit more effort in giving proper access to the privacy policies, after all, it being closed source and having the ability to view/modify any page.

[0] https://www.tampermonkey.net/%5B%5Bprivacy_url%5D%5D

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by infamia »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #158
moralestapia wrote: post #151

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>Mozilla actually encouraged him to stay by giving him the role of CEO. He decided to step out. Sure, but for those that don't know the story, Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Brendan's resignation was his way of saying "f*ck this crap, I have better stuff to do", and he showed. >they simply wouldn't have given him the job in…

> Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Im not sure why you posted this as it has never been suggested that his donation was illegal. The campaign against his appointment as CTO was on the basis that his financial support for proposition 8 showed him to be hostile to the protection of civil rights for some members of society, incl…

That doesn't make any sense., and there was something else going on. Eich's position was exactly the same as the platform that Obama when he initially ran for president. Somehow that supposedly makes Eich unfit to run a company, but it is fine for Obama to be President.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by brigandish »

jraph wrote: post #274
brigandish wrote: post #271

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> > Is [singular they] neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't sound natural? > Singular “they” is actually the traditional English approach. It's traditional for those of unknown gender . I believe (we could always ask) that the statement you're replying to implies "Is [singular they] for those of known gender neutral, or is it pushing fancy new pronouns that break English and don't…

I actually somehow knew that singular they is not exactly new, but not to this level of details. But that only makes the argument more interesting: something that was normal was lost, and is now somehow coming back in some form… with push backs like "it breaks the English grammar" , where English actually already worked like this before (for the exact same use or not). Push backs I saw here on HN, or on RMS's website…

I think there's some confusion about this.

They used to refer to someone (as a singular pronoun) whose gender is unknown has been valid English for hundreds of years.

He to refer to someone whose gender is unknown is, as the link you provided points out, a more recent addition to English grammar and could be starting to fall away again.

They to refer to someone whose gender is known can be and is used occasionally but can sound strange at times too, he or she would and should usually be preferred.

To only use they to refer to someone whose gender is known is novel, forced, and contradicts the previous rule so it does break grammar (as the other link from Stallman shows).

Nothing has been lost.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by spiralx »

Mystery-Machine wrote: post #229
piyush_soni wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is better in ViolentMonkey? Just want to know because I keep working with userscripts and after GreaseMonkey's collapse TamperMonkey has been my default userscript manager.

TamperMonkey has a terrible embedded editor. It assumes 4 spaces formatting and some other shit that I don't like, but can't change. I'm also lazy to switch to something else. I just wish they would fix the editor.

What? I've been using it for years and that's not true, there's several settings to customise formatting. Have you tried selecting "Advanced" for Config Settings, maybe that's why you can't see those settings.
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