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Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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JD Vance has a similar motivation for making the current administration take the flak for it, so I would also take him with a grain of salt.

The government should want to do testing and prove Vance to be a conspiracy loony then right?

Of course. I don't doubt the scale of the disaster but it's very easy in the face of uncertainty for anyone to jump to conclusions without doing their due diligence, either due to some agenda or just inadvertently.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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I've posted on Hackernews before mentioning that I grew up in East Palestine and my entire immediate and most of my extended family either live in the town itself or within 20 miles.

It's been surreal to see this event unplay in the media.

Some things I haven't seen talked about:

1. How desperately poor most of the population in that area is.

My fear is that if the crash has long terms effects people will never get justice.

These are people who can't afford to go to a doctor regularly. They can't afford to miss work. They can't afford to sue a railroad and they'll very likely take a small payment to waive all liability because any amount of money right now is better than whatever they might theoretically get in the future.

And for the most part no one there would tell you they're poor or disadvantaged. I don't mean to imply that they are downtrodden or helpless. I certainly didn't think that of myself or anyone else growing up there.

It is only with the perspective of having left and having traveled the world and having risen through the economic ladder that I have the ability to look back and see how disadvantaged they will be against a large corporation.

Barring legislation and government intervention I cannot imagine they will have even a shot in hell at getting a fair evaluation and fair deal.

2. Train wrecks happened in the area somewhat frequently

Growing up I remember at last 3 or 4 train wrecks bad enough that people had to be put up in hotels.

I don't know if that's a lot of a little for an area in a ~10 year span but it feels like a lot.

I also don't know if train wrecks are tracked and reported anywhere other than local paper archives but I would be very interested to see the internal data and memos the railroad has related to derailments.

If anyone is aware of such a resource please let me know.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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I'm pretty worried about this. The fallout/plume won't just be isolated to a region we can avoid or mitigate. It's in our waterways and in our air. I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now we can detect it all around the world. We might not know the full extent of the disaster for many years.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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I've posted on Hackernews before mentioning that I grew up in East Palestine and my entire immediate and most of my extended family either live in the town itself or within 20 miles. It's been surreal to see this event unplay in the media. Some things I haven't seen talked about: 1. How desperately poor most of the population in that area is. My fear is that if the crash has long terms effects people will never get j…

A quick search (it was the first hit for train derailment tracker) brings up this: https://safetydata.fra.dot.gov/officeofsafety/publicsite/que...

Having poked at it a bit, it does seem happy to spit out a list of train derailments sliced and diced in quite a few different ways.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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Those “weird white deposits” are normal and have always been a thing. The rainwater evaporates but leaves some minerals behind

There are minerals in rainwater? It's effectively distilled, no? How does it get minerals?

Yes, but as with acid rain, rain can contain some non-waterthings, I think.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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I'm pretty worried about this. The fallout/plume won't just be isolated to a region we can avoid or mitigate. It's in our waterways and in our air. I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now we can detect it all around the world. We might not know the full extent of the disaster for many years.

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Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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Air and surface water measurements are mentioned for the train car contents.

Is anyone aware if there is top soil or swipe testing for the train car contents or suspected partial combustion compounds?

That black cloud did not look like the cleanest burn. Isn’t it naive to burn a mixture then test for the fuel in the aftermath and say look no fuel here there must be no contamination?

What a mess.

Re: Clinic to open near Ohio derailment as health worries linger

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I don't mean to downplay the disaster, but just because there's a sheen that appears when disturbing the creekbed doesn't indicate it's a result of the contamination from the disaster or even petroleum-related contamination at all: for instance, bacteria can form a similar oil-like sheen on water. I don't think it's possible to conclude anything without sampling the water, and definitely not from a video of someone j…

I'm not trying to be unreasonable but if this was a school shooting everyone would be calling for the ban of all guns. The scale of this is vastly greater, yet the reaction is just unfathomable to me given the scale of this disaster. Again, not trying to stir anything. Just an observation.

and if this happened just outside Atlanta, it would be all over the news for the next month..and senators would call it racial injustice. Not to mention every govt agency on site. Train derailments happen regularly every week, but not to this extent. It’ll be an ecological disaster. The water may be fine now, but no so much in a month. Ground water seepage takes time.
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