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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by moralestapia »

asddubs wrote: post #157
moralestapia wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Mozilla actually encouraged him to stay by giving him the role of CEO. He decided to step out. Sure, but for those that don't know the story, Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Brendan's resignation was his way of saying "f*ck this crap, I have better stuff to do", and he showed. >they simply wouldn't have given him the job in…

I don't think anyone questioned the legality, but you seem to be conflating that with morality. evil (to use your term) is a moral judgement, not a legal one.

What he did wasn't immoral. Whether you agree with that or not that's a different topic, and if you disagree with that let me remind you that people have different points of view and that shouldn't be an issue.

Since morality is subjective in the end, the only discussion worth having is whether or not what he did was legal, which it was.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by moralestapia »

jraph wrote: post #177
mozman wrote: post #173

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Is there or has there ever been any evidence that Brendan did not separate his personal views from professional views?

He might have separated his personal views from his professional views. He probably did, actually. But I don't think it matters. People still didn't like it. His right to have these views, their right too. It would only have been worse if he hadn't. The world is not neutral, organizations neither.

But organizations should be, at least I'm on that camp.

Edit: Well actually, I can think of some orgs. that should be polarized by nature, like those meant to promote change. But a foundation that "works to ensure the internet remains a public resource that is open and accessible to us all" should be quite neutral on all others topics beyond that.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by outadoc »

xPaw wrote: post #82
jraph wrote: post #19

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A big thing for me is that Tampermonkey is not open source. And yes, Firefox on Android has an allowlist of "known working good" extensions, the reason given being that Firefox for Android doesn't implement everything the Desktop version implements and IIUC, want to a avoid users blaming the browser when something breaks because of it.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

> It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons

It never did though? In my recollection the old version had an Android-only extensions API, and only a few extensions ever supported it. At least now, in theory, any extension can run on Android, which is great.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jraph »

moralestapia wrote: post #212
jraph wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He might have separated his personal views from his professional views. He probably did, actually. But I don't think it matters. People still didn't like it. His right to have these views, their right too. It would only have been worse if he hadn't. The world is not neutral, organizations neither.

But organizations should be, at least I'm on that camp. Edit: Well actually, I can think of some orgs. that should be polarized by nature, like those meant to promote change. But a foundation that "works to ensure the internet remains a public resource that is open and accessible to us all" should be quite neutral on all others topics beyond that.

I think I understand this opinion, but I'm not sure this is actually possible. I don't think political neutrality really exists. The closest thing that exists is status quo and mainstream / widespread opinions / beliefs.

On any subject that's not the main mission of the org, people will have any sort of opinions, on one side or another. Sometimes biased towards one of the sides depending on the mission or the actual people it attracts.

(sometimes on the main mission too actually, but in this case the org is in trouble / needs to adapt the mission - it can be an existential crisis)

And if for some idea, the mainstream / status quo outside the org is biased toward one side, this bias might also affect the org because the org lives in this world.

Let's take an (imperfect?) example: about veganism/vegetarianism/non-vegetarianism, what is the neutral stance? If the org needs to organize a dinner, some side will need to be taken. Allowing everything to accommodate the preferences of every person is not neutral. That's the status quo however, usually. You can only have "presence of animal-based food" or "absence of animal-based food". Nothing in between. You need to pick a side, take a non neutral-decision.

In the case of Brendan being rejected, people were going to be pissed either way. If he stayed, it would have pissed people who thought Brendan was not desirable as a CEO of an organization like Mozilla which is supposed to be inclusive because of his anti same-sex wedding actions. Because he left, it pissed people who thought his personal opinions should not matter. And both sides have a point, which is the hardest part.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by superkuh »

bentcorner wrote: post #148
jerryzh wrote: post #118

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You can enable in about:config and install all plugin with Firefox Nightly

This feature is also supported in beta, you don't need nightly anymore. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/10/20/firefox-beta-for-android-n...

Asking people to run nightly (essentially modern alpha/aurora) or beta is asking people to use an insecure browser with bugs.

Firefox not allowing people to control their own browser and install add-ons, enable features, etc without their permission was the end of Firefox for me (back in version 37). This move to trade freedom for "security" for the technologically ignorant ended up providing neither. Especially considering the security theater that is the automated signing portal. The only benefit to all this is the ability to revoke after the damage is done widescale enough to be known.

There are the un-branded builds of Firefox that are not buggy and do not restrict your software freedoms for no purpose. Unfortunately Mozilla has disabled auto-updates in the unbranded builds so you have to manually install the a new full browser for every little update. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing#Unbranded...

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Helmut10001 »

fisian wrote: post #179
Helmut10001 wrote: post #159

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You are right, according to this [1] Fennec is discontinued in favor of Fenix! I only use it for very simple stuff (HN, selfhosted apps etc.), so I did not notice. Yet, looking at the F-Droid store [2], Fennec indeed is available in a recent version (109.2.0) and it is being bumped by Mozilla [3]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ih9vmb/firefox_for_android_fenix_79_release_fennec_is/ [2]: https://f-droi…

Confusingly, Fennec F-Droid is Fenix. In the description on the F-Droid page it says "Fennec F-Droid is based on the latest Firefox release (codenamed Fenix).".

Thanks for the clarification! This is what I suspected, too. What matters to me is that it works with custom extension lists. I am not sure I understood what was special about the original "2020 Fennec".

There's also a note from someone on Reddit [1]:

> Fennec is also F-Droid's firefox version. It differs from official ones by having proprietary bits and all telemetry removed as well as unlocked about:config at the moment.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/nff8sv/comment/gyl...

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Helmut10001 »

Aardwolf wrote: post #184
Helmut10001 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, according to this [1] Fennec is discontinued in favor of Fenix! I only use it for very simple stuff (HN, selfhosted apps etc.), so I did not notice. Yet, looking at the F-Droid store [2], Fennec indeed is available in a recent version (109.2.0) and it is being bumped by Mozilla [3]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ih9vmb/firefox_for_android_fenix_79_release_fennec_is/ [2]: https://f-droi…

Are you using a recent version of F-Droid fennec (which may be fenix instead), and if so does this one support arbitrary plugins? Did F-droid manage to modify it for that?

What do you mean with Plugins? It works with custom extension lists (e.g. I have idontcareaboutcookies and privacy redirect installed).

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by no_wizard »

moralestapia wrote: post #150
xPaw wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

Unfortunately, everything at Firefox has become political in nature and it's been downhill ever since. With an already low (and diminishing) market share, it's just a matter of time before Google cuts their search engine deal with them, then poof they're gone!

I suspect this won't happen. They cut deals with even smaller browsers. Its about proportional revenue though, so dropping market share may net Mozilla less on the next contract negotiation.

I also don't think its in Google's best interest to let Mozilla fall out, if anything, it gives them some lever against anti trust.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by benatkin »

superkuh wrote: post #215
bentcorner wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feature is also supported in beta, you don't need nightly anymore. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/10/20/firefox-beta-for-android-n...

Asking people to run nightly (essentially modern alpha/aurora) or beta is asking people to use an insecure browser with bugs. Firefox not allowing people to control their own browser and install add-ons, enable features, etc without their permission was the end of Firefox for me (back in version 37). This move to trade freedom for "security" for the technologically ignorant ended up providing neither. Especially cons…

Yes, just like having people run Tampermonkey instead of Violentmonkey. Mozilla is making things less secure with this whole extension policy.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by pmoleri »

mg wrote: post #2

Personally, I prefer bookmarklets over extensions and Tampermonkey. They work the same on Desktop, Android and iOS. So I can write my bookmarklet once and use it everywhere. Without installing anything. I also like that bookmarklets only kick in when you click on them. Although some might find that too much work, it feels natural to me. It is already in my muscle memory, to click an "Increase Fontsize" bookmarklet wh…

Thanks, I had forgotten this even existed. I was looking for something like this to perform unit conversions on a website.

Edit: And without giving excessive permissions to an extension.

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