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Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by [deleted] »

sumtechguy wrote: post #797
foldr wrote: post #451

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I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested that Twitter (in general) is a reliable source of information, so I'm not sure why you bring it up. Apart form that, perhaps I am misunderstanding, but you seem to be saying that you decided not to trust the news because you saw a typo in a news story 25 years ago. I'm doing my best to be charitable here, but how can that possibly make any sense?

It is the 'fake item' that leads you to other fake items. You find the patterns and see the uncharitable takes. You see the mockingbird style reporting. It is the gateway moment I was pointing out. You start with something small and it grows. You can not un-see it. A gateway moment for them was a typo. Mine was a repeated story over and over as I traveled between cities and timezones but presented as if that particul…

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ss108 »

refurb wrote: post #760
ss108 wrote: post #757

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Really? Recognizing that people who vote out of bigotry and ignorance are trash is what led to that? Calling out people who openly and proudly believe in conspiracy theories is what led to that? Assuming you aren't a Trump supporter, what would they have to do in order for you to believe they are bad and need to be called out as such? Start lynching Blacks en masse? Firebombing the offices of lawyers who represent as…

You're so deep you can't even if see how damaging your own rhetoric is. You really think 42% of the US are bigots who will lynch blacks and firebomb lawyers? I think you need to take a break from social media. There is a big world out there that you don't know a lot about.

It is of course ironic you take a condescending tone while trying to convince me I am judgmental and condescending.

I don't engage with any social media, and I'm out there in the world plenty. I read the news, I've spoken with people. We can all hear what Trump says, we know his policies.

I have had Trump supporters say to my face that asylum seeking children getting separated from their parents and never seeing them again is A-ok and deserved because it was the parents fault for trying to escape their country and come here. Those are the people you're defending. You think speaking further with them would make me despise them less?

> You really think 42% of the US are bigots who will lynch blacks and firebomb lawyers?

Why do you think my hypothetical is about literally every single one of them engaging in those things? If the Proud Boys and such groups started getting more active and doing such things, do you think most Trump supporters would care? Or would they keep at it with their far-right politics and support for him?

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by keyanp »

keyanp wrote: post #197

Yes I know that traditionally media has been used for propaganda, but I'm surprised by the reactions in this thread and those who find what seems like fairly objective reporting as biased. Can someone show me a story from the NYT world or US news sites that are deliberately misleading? If this propaganda is so rampant then where is it? (Note: I'm opinion articles excluded because they are uh opinions). https://www.ny…

(parent author) Thanks for everyone's responses. I think there are some solid examples that folks provided that definitely give me something to mull over.

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Post by fidgewidge »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #766
fidgewidge wrote: post #685

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Can you link to where anybody has redefined vaccine, and also evidence that the vaccinated become more likely to catch it than the unvaccinated? All that sounds like complete baloney.

BTW they also changed the definition of herd immunity:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr...

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by fortuna86 »

2devnull wrote: post #618
fortuna86 wrote: post #589

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Seems like a cynical take by someone that knows what they watch is largely fake, and they want to apply the same rules to the other side so they feel better about their exclusivity to confirmation bias enabling programming.

No, the underlying business model, get people to watch your product in order to maximize ad sales, is basically the same. The incentives are therefore essentially the same. Money talks. Personally, I don’t watch anything. I read across a broad array of print sources and prefer to trust specific journalists rather than entire organizations. I try to get most information from primary sources, or to triangulate informat…

> The incentives are therefore essentially the same. Money talks.

Are you implying the NYT never publishing anything that upsets their readership? Every week #CancelNYT trends because they "platformed" something their left wing audience didn't like.

Even Fox News lost viewers because they dared declare the 2020 election free and fair, and in favor of Biden.

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Post by fortuna86 »

user3939382 wrote: post #539
ROTMetro wrote: post #366

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And both of those position changes feed INTO their 'Independent' thinker audiences not contradict with them.

Yeah they're pandering to people who value the truth. /s Your comment makes no sense with Matt Taibbi's statements. I'm not sure you understand what he said and corrected.

Taibbi admitted he was wrong on Ukraine because there's no other way to spin it, he was out of options. He's still giving his new and largely right wing audience what it wants:

"Elon isn't right wing, give me one example of that"

- Endorsed Ron desantis

- Told everyone to vote Republican

- Tweeted out "I am a Republican"

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Post by baidifnaoxi »

jawns wrote: post #710
fidgewidge wrote: post #331

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> The average journalist values the truth and desires to report on the news with accuracy and fairness The average journalist thinks they value the truth, accuracy and fairness. Observed behavior is very different to this flattering self portrait which is why they aren't trusted. Actual behaviors of real journalists that create distrust which can't be blamed on advertisers or editors: - Accepting large grants from bi…

I think your response represent a common trap that people fall into, where we treat "the media" as if it's one entity, whereas in fact it's many distinct entities with very different attributes. When we blame "the media" by lumping them all together, it's like blaming "the Americans," when in fact there is a big diversity in what Americans do and think.

You may be right - in theory. But existence of Journalist collaboration networks make this a moot point. Google JournOList and tell me there isn’t any coordination.

Edit - one other point, so many articles are also sourced from Reuters and AP that the Media, while different companies all have the same source material.

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Post by slg »

TomSwirly wrote: post #784
slg wrote: post #675

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This is an example of what I'm talking about. Journalist by and large are not in favor of editors slapping misleading headlines on their work. You are ascribing this practice to maliciousness when it is actually a reluctant response to incentives.

"You're talking about my stealing as a crime, when in fact it was a reluctant response to the incentive of my needing money!" It's dishonest. End of story.

What do you think is the proper response if someone steals of loaf of bread? Would you label them a dishonest irredeemable criminal and throw them in jail for life?

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

ss108 wrote: post #799
somewhat_drunk wrote: post #584

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Agreed, I did the same. I decided a couple years into his presidency that I'm fundamentally morally incompatible with people who could support such an abhorrent asshole. Not to mention their incredible propensity for confirmation bias, which is frankly reason enough on its own to remove them from my life. I lost a few acquaintances and one friend during the latter Trump years. I value my friends highly, but I regret…

It is good to see someone else doesn't believe that we should start moving moral goalposts just because society starts sliding into depravity. What would all these people objecting to this do if they were in a time and place where some real shit was going down? Lynchings, genocides, etc? I guess they'd stand by and be ok with it and rationalize those things.

That was my point in another part of this thread though: we are in a time and place where real shit is and has been going on.

Just look at some of the numbers for casualties in the middle east as a result of US adventures over there. And most of us are standing by and funding it.

Trump is distasteful. But castigating people who feel like he has something to offer them where nobody else does isn't doing anything to improve things, it's just further galvanizing them.

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