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Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by anonymousab »

Manfred wrote: post #115
dkbrk wrote: post #110

I don't understand why Mozilla artificially limits what addons can be used on android. I've been using Tampermonkey on android for years, and it worked fine, just like other addons that don't happen to have yet been blessed so that users are granted the privilege of being able to choose to install them. For reference, to work around mozilla's artificial restrictions, you have to use nightly. Once you activate the deb…

It would be good if they explained this in their documentation. But I think you summed it up in your own message: > […] you can either have a browser that doesn't catastrophically break every few updates; or you can have the freedom to install whatever addons you like […] I think they don't want malicious and abandoned extensions to taint the Firefox experience. Users will only see "Firefox is broken" and not realize…

They could trivially bury full add-on market access under 5 scary models and a password or something, but instead they use an absurdly cumbersome mechanism.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by dewy »

mook wrote: post #65
sp332 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Android, yeah, they have a short list of allowed addons. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/search/?promoted=re... You can get past it if you're willing to run Nightly and jump through these hoops: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...

I've landed on using the F-droid build instead of Nightly. That also allows custom extension collections, and I believe Mozilla's attitude was that they get more telemetry for Nightly as they consider that an opt-in somehow (or at least they did for the desktop app).

How do you install Firefox via F-droid? (I searched, but don't see it listed in my F-droid store directly.)

Do you use the FFupdater app?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by mozman »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #158
moralestapia wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Mozilla actually encouraged him to stay by giving him the role of CEO. He decided to step out. Sure, but for those that don't know the story, Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Brendan's resignation was his way of saying "f*ck this crap, I have better stuff to do", and he showed. >they simply wouldn't have given him the job in…

> Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Im not sure why you posted this as it has never been suggested that his donation was illegal. The campaign against his appointment as CTO was on the basis that his financial support for proposition 8 showed him to be hostile to the protection of civil rights for some members of society, incl…

Is there or has there ever been any evidence that Brendan did not separate his personal views from professional views?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #167
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Im not sure why you posted this as it has never been suggested that his donation was illegal. The campaign against his appointment as CTO was on the basis that his financial support for proposition 8 showed him to be hostile to the protection of civil rights for some members of society, incl…

>> The campaign And this really is the crux, isn't it: 1. a political campaign inside Mozilla 2. by some employees that interpreted risk that 3. his donations were an attack on what they perceived as their rights 4. and this made him unable to fulfill the role of CTO That's a whole lot of one-side conclusions to get to "he's unfit to be the CTO". No wonder he left.

What do you think "they" should have done?

This was all discussed at the time: the campaign against his appointment was far from just being "inside Mozilla". And "what they perceived as their rights" are now actual civil and legal rights because US society decided that was the right thing to do.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jraph »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #167
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Im not sure why you posted this as it has never been suggested that his donation was illegal. The campaign against his appointment as CTO was on the basis that his financial support for proposition 8 showed him to be hostile to the protection of civil rights for some members of society, incl…

>> The campaign And this really is the crux, isn't it: 1. a political campaign inside Mozilla 2. by some employees that interpreted risk that 3. his donations were an attack on what they perceived as their rights 4. and this made him unable to fulfill the role of CTO That's a whole lot of one-side conclusions to get to "he's unfit to be the CTO". No wonder he left.

> a political campaign inside Mozilla

And outside too. I read that OKCupid invited Firefox users to switch browsers, and CREDO mobile gathered 50K signatures for a petition. So nothing specific to Mozilla in the end.

> No wonder he left.

He indeed wrote on his blog "under the present circumstances, I cannot be an effective leader" and he was probably right about this.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by JeremyNT »

dewy wrote: post #172
mook wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've landed on using the F-droid build instead of Nightly. That also allows custom extension collections, and I believe Mozilla's attitude was that they get more telemetry for Nightly as they consider that an opt-in somehow (or at least they did for the desktop app).

How do you install Firefox via F-droid? (I searched, but don't see it listed in my F-droid store directly.) Do you use the FFupdater app?

Not the parent but from F-Droid I use Fennec, which is FF nightly with the branding and some of the more obnoxious anti-features removed:

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jraph »

mozman wrote: post #173
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brendan was being portrayed as being evil incarnate because of the donations (which were a perfectly legal thing to do, btw). Im not sure why you posted this as it has never been suggested that his donation was illegal. The campaign against his appointment as CTO was on the basis that his financial support for proposition 8 showed him to be hostile to the protection of civil rights for some members of society, incl…

Is there or has there ever been any evidence that Brendan did not separate his personal views from professional views?

He might have separated his personal views from his professional views. He probably did, actually. But I don't think it matters.

People still didn't like it. His right to have these views, their right too.

It would only have been worse if he hadn't.

The world is not neutral, organizations neither.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by esperent »

Manfred wrote: post #115
dkbrk wrote: post #110

I don't understand why Mozilla artificially limits what addons can be used on android. I've been using Tampermonkey on android for years, and it worked fine, just like other addons that don't happen to have yet been blessed so that users are granted the privilege of being able to choose to install them. For reference, to work around mozilla's artificial restrictions, you have to use nightly. Once you activate the deb…

It would be good if they explained this in their documentation. But I think you summed it up in your own message: > […] you can either have a browser that doesn't catastrophically break every few updates; or you can have the freedom to install whatever addons you like […] I think they don't want malicious and abandoned extensions to taint the Firefox experience. Users will only see "Firefox is broken" and not realize…

I've been using Kiwi browser on Android for years. It supports like 80% of chrome extensions, never breaks on updates. The only major issue is that extension settings pages are rarely optimized for mobile.

So I think this excuse is BS to be honest.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by fisian »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #159
Aardwolf wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a version of Fennec with up to date HTML rendering engine? Where to get it? AFAIK fennec is the code name for mobile firefox when mozilla had the very good android app that supported extensions, about:config and sane tab/bookmark management, and fenix is when mozilla ended fennec and replaced it with the much worse and clunky android app around 2020 that's still the only official one today, right?

You are right, according to this [1] Fennec is discontinued in favor of Fenix! I only use it for very simple stuff (HN, selfhosted apps etc.), so I did not notice. Yet, looking at the F-Droid store [2], Fennec indeed is available in a recent version (109.2.0) and it is being bumped by Mozilla [3]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/ih9vmb/firefox_for_android_fenix_79_release_fennec_is/ [2]: https://f-droi…

Confusingly, Fennec F-Droid is Fenix.

In the description on the F-Droid page it says "Fennec F-Droid is based on the latest Firefox release (codenamed Fenix).".

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by 2h »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #55

Iceraven has had this capability forever, no big announcement required. If you want to use Firefox on android and don't want to deal with these artificial restrictions and excuses for bad behavior just get iceraven and call it a day.

IceRaven only allows from this list:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/1620123...

so if you wrote yourself, too bad

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