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Re: Search: .lenght - Github

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Post by baddox »

untog wrote: post #59
koenigdavidmj wrote: post #40

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C# I can understand being so low, since it's almost always written in Visual Studio or MonoDevelop (both of which provide autocompletion). But how is JavaScript the next lowest?

C# is also a compiled language, so you wouldn't be able to get anything to run with a typo like that hanging around. I find it surprising that there are so many commits making that mistake!

Being a compiled language isn't sufficient to prevent "no method" errors. It's completely possible for a compiled language to define methods at runtime or use duck typing.

Re: Search: .lenght - Github

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Post by adambyrtek »

evanlong wrote: post #70
adambyrtek wrote: post #58

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Honestly, do you really work on the same code base with "1000s of developers"? I find it really dubious.

Yes. It's called Microsoft.

Well, then problems with such process are pretty well documented[1]. For comparison, at Google global refactorings are pretty common and usually painless, there are even custom tools to support such changes (push them through code review, ensure no tests are broken etc.)

[1] http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-c...

Re: Search: .lenght - Github

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Post by mook »

Stratoscope wrote: post #69
Mizza wrote: post #26

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I wrote that bot! https://github.com/Miserlou/WhitespaceBot Feel free to fork it to do whatever you want, that's why I made it.

Hey, some of us actually use trailing whitespace! :-) I use it to create useful indentation guides in Komodo. If the whitespace is stripped away, the indentation guides have gaps where there's a blank line in an indented block. Maybe Komodo could use a different method to decide where to draw the lines that didn't depend on trailing whitespace. It looks like Sublime Text 2 has a different approach for its indentation…

If you create a JS macro that is triggered on file open, with the contents "komodo.view.scimoz.indentationGuides = komodo.view.scimoz.SC_IV_LOOKBOTH", it should give you the indentation guides without the whitespace actually there. http://www.scintilla.org/ScintillaDoc.html#SCI_SETINDENTATIO... has some explanation of the possible values.

Re: Search: .lenght - Github

#104

Post by evanlong »

adambyrtek wrote: post #102
evanlong wrote: post #70

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Yes. It's called Microsoft.

Well, then problems with such process are pretty well documented[1]. For comparison, at Google global refactorings are pretty common and usually painless, there are even custom tools to support such changes (push them through code review, ensure no tests are broken etc.) [1] http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-c...

I know the Microsoft process all too painfully. RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,RC,RTM,Ship It,Repeat.

But as to the "usually painless" at Google. So when does that pain happen?

Can you take me through the following scenarios: change a variable name, change a base class name that lots of people extend from, file renames?

How do you go about refactoring? Do everything at once? Breaking it into pieces? Do file rename then variable and base class renames? Or smallest piece at a time?

Once the refactoring is complete how do you communicate to others the changes so when they merge the code in they don't get too messed up? Or worse undo something in the refactoring. (Also follow up is it better to do the big refactoring so there is the one big merge or a bunch of little refactorings and lots of little merges across the spectrum).

I guess the code change isn't the problem. It's making a big change and getting people on the same page is much harder. Especially when their are varying degrees of skill and experience on a project. And it's this stuff that is painful and leads to not wanting to do big refactorings at a lot of shops.

Re: Search: .lenght - Github

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Post by adambyrtek »

evanlong wrote: post #104
adambyrtek wrote: post #102

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Well, then problems with such process are pretty well documented[1]. For comparison, at Google global refactorings are pretty common and usually painless, there are even custom tools to support such changes (push them through code review, ensure no tests are broken etc.) [1] http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-c...

I know the Microsoft process all too painfully. RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,RC,RTM,Ship It,Repeat. But as to the "usually painless" at Google. So when does that pain happen? Can you take me through the following scenarios: change a variable name, change a base class name that lots of people extend from, file renames? How do you go about refactoring? Do everything at once? Breaking it into pieces? Do file rename then variabl…

Hacker News has a short attention span and this probably won't be seen by many, but I'll try to answer your question nevertheless. There are several factors I'd like to mention.

1. Most importantly, the version control head is always the point of reference, and the burden of merging is on people who keep long-lived pending changes. This means that conflicts are resolved as soon as possible by a person who actually knows the context, instead of being postponed until a dreaded merge window. Ultimately, a programmer pursuing refactoring is only responsible for making sure it works on the head, and should announce the change so that others are prepared for merging.

2. There are some huge code bases at Google, but nowhere near the size of Windows. On the other hand, I'm sure that even Windows has to be separated into more or less decoupled components. When I doubted that you work on the same code with thousands of other programmers I was thinking in terms of components, not final products.

3. Cultural aspect shouldn't be disregarded. Code hygiene is encouraged at Google, and some people volunteering their 20% time to help with that. Moreover, there are some custom tools that make global refactorings much easier and safer.

Hope that was helpful.

Re: Search: .lenght - Github

#106

Post by evanlong »

adambyrtek wrote: post #105
evanlong wrote: post #104

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I know the Microsoft process all too painfully. RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,FI,RI,RC,RTM,Ship It,Repeat. But as to the "usually painless" at Google. So when does that pain happen? Can you take me through the following scenarios: change a variable name, change a base class name that lots of people extend from, file renames? How do you go about refactoring? Do everything at once? Breaking it into pieces? Do file rename then variabl…

Hacker News has a short attention span and this probably won't be seen by many, but I'll try to answer your question nevertheless. There are several factors I'd like to mention. 1. Most importantly, the version control head is always the point of reference, and the burden of merging is on people who keep long-lived pending changes. This means that conflicts are resolved as soon as possible by a person who actually kn…

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