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Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by XorNot »

jmyeet wrote: post #20

People seem to have short memories. We've been here before. Not with AI but with low-cost content farms eg Demand Media, Associated Content, Mahalo. Most of these died. A few survive (eg Wikihow). People recognize it for what it is: noise. Ultimately, search enginees do as well and this SEO-optimized drivel gets downranked into non-existence. ChatGPT can write as many articles as you like but they have to have a poin…

The more important point is that people react to things happening, they don't just sit there and take it.

A rise in automated content is going to be countered by the development of AI explorers who's sole role is to establish data provenance (this is what Google should be doing but isn't). No one wants a ChatGPT which blindly trusts the internet, they want one which will backtrack sources during it's training to determine if they're true - this is likely to be the next innovation from OpenAI anyway, since ChatGPTs value as an assistant is based on it's ability to provide accurate information to start with (and not be self-trained on it's own ideas).

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by totetsu »

VectorLock wrote: post #28

The article was so long and rambling I asked ChatGPT to summarize it for me: The increased use of generative AI tools like ChatGPT has brought to a head the problem that creators have been facing for some time. They worry that these tools are greater masters of their craft than they are. According to a recent article, the explanation is simple: creators have overemphasized one part of the craft, posture. This refers…

..mmmSorry to break the decorum of HN, But..

Nobody wants to read your stupid chatGPT summarizes! If we want we all can do it ourselves. Congratulations you turned long and rambling into short and incoherent. Please spend some time finding a skim reading technique that works for you to get through long texts. I suggest starting with the conclusion, and skimming up from the bottom reading the first few words of each paragraph or whatever catches your eye.. this skips rambling starts and help you know if the article is worth the effort. Hey here’s a Chatgpt prompt for you.

Hey ChatGPT I find some articles long and boring, please give me some strategies and specific instructions on how to skim read a text to find the important information

And

Hey Chatgpt I shared your summary of an article on a forum news.ycombinator.com and some user gave me a negative response. please give me some possible reasons he could have been annoyed by that.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by Nadya »

dorkwood wrote: post #16
zamadatix wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing could be said about using digital tools to edit the text/images or more extremely purchased art supplies instead of making your own. For the things you mentioned the low quality craftsmanship has no relationship to using the newer tools to make them.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

What are your opinions of Yves Klein's series of IKB paintings? Do you have an appreciative understanding of the differences between IKB 79 and IKB 191? Are the differences all that important over opening Microsoft Paint, selecting the bucket tool, changing the fill color to blue, and clicking the canvas?

I'm not trolling either. I'm quite bothered by the common argument that "art is effort". Art is not defined by the effort it takes to create and anytime it gets easier (even to a trivial degree) there are always pundits and naysayers.

https://everythingcanbe.art/

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by jowsie »

dragontamer wrote: post #45
noduerme wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the musicians whose tickets go for thousands of dollars these days either were hugely successful by taking risks before the rise of algorithmic taste-making (and have older, wealthier audiences) or are basically meat puppets of the ad industry whose music, clothing style, branding, attitude, play frequency on streaming services, and even ticket prices are basically hydra heads of the same giant algorithmic ps…

> If e.g. Adam Levine were replaced by a humanoid robot or a deepfake, would any of his fans actually notice or care? As a Hatsune Miku fan... I can say... Yes? People have been using AI generated vocals for well over a decade. The Hatsune Miku community differentiates songs and can tell who the composers or artists are even if they're all using the same voice. There's a pretty big difference between say... "Karakuri…

This came out recently and shows it well I feel.

2 producers, same vocal software, distinctive sounds between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMEt3RdqB9Y

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by breckenedge »

pixl97 wrote: post #25
breckenedge wrote: post #2

> The problem isn't that bots will replace humans. The problem is that humans are acting like bots. Yikes that really hits home. Since the dawn of computers, people have been handing over more and more of their thinking to processes and machines, becoming more robotic. Or like how the factory line changes the way people think, reduces their creativity. Maybe now that the robots are getting scarily good, I can hope th…

People behave like bots in systems that demand they behave like bots. The massive chain stores that people are working for don't want deviance, so they design systems that punish any wandering from the script that their users attempt to present. Don't see where better robots is going to fix that.

I don’t know if it will, but maybe CashierGPT will ultimately uncover the folly in the tendency for humans to act more robot like.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by breckenedge »

Mtinie wrote: post #35
labrador wrote: post #21

If you can't beat them, join them. The content creators who learn how to use AI tools to help them create their own unique content will likely get more work than those who don't learn the new AI tools.

Personally I don’t view it as “if you can’t beat them, join them,” though I understand the sentiment. I prefer to think of it as “how can I use this tech to advance my craft and expand my options?”

I’ve been using it to draft internal project proposals to use more AI. It’s super exciting.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by dorkwood »

Nadya wrote: post #53
dorkwood wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

What are your opinions of Yves Klein's series of IKB paintings? Do you have an appreciative understanding of the differences between IKB 79 and IKB 191? Are the differences all that important over opening Microsoft Paint, selecting the bucket tool, changing the fill color to blue, and clicking the canvas? I'm not trolling either. I'm quite bothered by the common argument that "art is effort". Art is not defined by th…

I think we’re talking about different things. You’re asking if these things are still considered art, even if they required no effort. They very well might be. I’m not concerned with that.

I’m more concerned with how in love people are with the idea of suddenly being able to paint a picture without needing to learn how to paint a picture. I’d feel the same way about someone who was excited that they could replicate IKB 79 by opening MS Paint, filling the canvas with IK Blue and sending it off to the printers.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by xwdv »

VectorLock wrote: post #28

The article was so long and rambling I asked ChatGPT to summarize it for me: The increased use of generative AI tools like ChatGPT has brought to a head the problem that creators have been facing for some time. They worry that these tools are greater masters of their craft than they are. According to a recent article, the explanation is simple: creators have overemphasized one part of the craft, posture. This refers…

Even that summary was too long, so I asked ChatGPT for the one line version:

Creators are overemphasizing their unique perspective and not focusing enough on the process and practice of their craft, leading to concerns about AI tools replacing them.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by dorkwood »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #41
dorkwood wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t see a difference between using a paintbrush to paint a painting, and pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result? I think it’s more like buying a paintbrush that also paints the painting for you. And I’d also have the same opinion about that.

"pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result?" Try doing that. Getting a good result isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

You’re right, it does take more than that. I used an abbreviated version of a prompt to illustrate a point.

I suppose I could have written “Garden castle, Many flowers, A few roses, clouds, dramatic clouds above, pink, dreamy ultra wide shot, atmospheric, hyper realistic, 8k, epic composition, cinematic, octane render, artstation landscape vista photography by Carr Clifton & Galen Rowell, 16K resolution, Landscape veduta photo by Dustin Lefevre & tdraw, 8k resolution, detailed landscape painting by Ivan Shishkin, DeviantArt, Flickr, rendered in Enscape, Miyazaki, Nausicaa Ghibli, Breath of The Wild, 4k detailed post processing, artstation, rendering by octane, unreal engine --iw 10 --ar 9:16 --no blue”, but it would have ruined the flow of my comment.

Re: The reason content creators worry about ChatGPT

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

dorkwood wrote: post #59
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"pasting “landscape painting ultra-detailed 4K artstation” into midjourney and getting an immediate result?" Try doing that. Getting a good result isn't as easy as you make it out to be.

You’re right, it does take more than that. I used an abbreviated version of a prompt to illustrate a point. I suppose I could have written “Garden castle, Many flowers, A few roses, clouds, dramatic clouds above, pink, dreamy ultra wide shot, atmospheric, hyper realistic, 8k, epic composition, cinematic, octane render, artstation landscape vista photography by Carr Clifton & Galen Rowell, 16K resolution, Landscape ve…

It would also diminish your point. Prompt engineering is a real thing now.
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