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Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ss108 »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #499
ss108 wrote: post #349

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> You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people So? You judge the moral and intellectual merits of things by how popular they are? That's your call. I don't. > Both sides have outspoken nut jobs stealing the spotlight Not really. Only one set of nutjobs actually stormed Congress in an attempt to overturn the results of an election. You've bought into a narrative that minimizes what is an insane fact.

QAnon nuts don't represent all conservatives, just as the people inciting riots and looting during BLM don't represent all liberals. Black and white thinking is stupid in this day and age yet it seems to persist

Not all of the people who stormed Congress believe in QAnon, nor did I even cite that as a reason at all, so who cares? Can't really see why you brought it up except to try to strawman.

> QAnon nuts aren't all conservatives, just as the people inciting riots and looting during BLM don't represent all liberals.

Logical error here; your point would make sense if someone said "all conservatives are QAnon believers".

The problem isn't "black and white thinking"; it's somehow shrugging your shoulders at the fact that a former president of the US incited a mob to storm Congress in an attempt to stay in power, as if this is some kind of third-world country. "Oh but don't hold people voting Republican accountable for that", you argue. Why not? Party hasn't even held him accountable and are likely going to nominate him again.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

recuter wrote: post #574
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #372

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Taibbi is making a great living by being a reactionary on podcasts and fringe outlets. Journalists are suckers. He hasn't done "journalism" in forever. Editorialism is where it's at.

How does one make a great living by being a guest on free podcasts? And which fringe outlets are we talking about? Joe Rogan? He has more viewers than CNN.

By charging for a podcast.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by Spooky23 »

colluphid wrote: post #711
autoexec wrote: post #663

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Fox calls itself "Fox News". Only when they're pressed and presented with evidence that they're liars will they hide behind "That's okay, this is all just entertainment!" excuses. Their viewers don't think they're watching made up stories for entertainment. They're convinced that Fox/OAN are the only news agencies that tell the truth.

sed 's/fox/CNN/Ig'

I’m not a fan of CNN, but they do a better job at distinguishing the difference between news and editorial.

The Fox issue is they conflate the two. I used to watch alot of TV news and the actual news content was pretty good on Fox on national issues, but their affiliates were usually pretty awful.

The news product produced by the networks until circa 1999 were a superior product in every way. Cable outlets have always danced with these issues as a TV channel that says the same thing all day gets boring.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ss108 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #599
ss108 wrote: post #542

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I understand your perspective, but I do not think that they do not understand that the things are bad. From what I can tell from conversations those people, they, for the most part, just don't give a shit about what's good and bad.

Have you heard of the fundamental attribution error? https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/the-fundamental-attribution... I think it's relevant here. Added to "don't understand" and "dont care" is a third option: "don't agree", based on different upbringings and cultural values, some of which you or I would find abhorrent, because of our own upbringing and cultural values. But I think you should recognize that there is a…

> But I think you should recognize that there is a good chance you'd have the same beliefs if you had the same life experience.

What's the point of this line of thinking? Ok, maybe we'd also join the Taliban if we grew up in orphanages in Pakistan after Russia invaded Afghanistan. So?

The thrust of your arguments here (the article and the life experience thing) seems to be to not hold anyone morally accountable for anything.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ss108 »

fwungy wrote: post #688
ss108 wrote: post #349

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> You just classified 46% of voting Americans as bad people So? You judge the moral and intellectual merits of things by how popular they are? That's your call. I don't. > Both sides have outspoken nut jobs stealing the spotlight Not really. Only one set of nutjobs actually stormed Congress in an attempt to overturn the results of an election. You've bought into a narrative that minimizes what is an insane fact.

Washington D.C. is a high crime city, but you can safely walk in the National Mall at any hour of the day or night alone, and people do. If it were anywhere else it would be a place be a place most people wouldn't feel safe at when alone late at night in a city like DC. Know why? Because Capitol Hill and the Mall are secured six ways to Sunday. It is the seat of the US global empire. Congressmembers and high official…

? This is just dumb. Who cares whether they were armed? The point is that they had the motive to do wrong and they took action in furtherance of it. They don't deserve leniency for being various forms of incompetent.

It's pretty disgusting you'd make the moral choice to peg the media as lying instead of being appalled that people stormed Congress and fought the capitol police.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by sixQuarks »

EricE wrote: post #629
sixQuarks wrote: post #220

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There is so much. Any time there's a war, the NY Times manufactures consent, Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction for example, more than half of Americans thought Saddam had nukes. Russiagate is a recent example: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/03/reveal... Misleading can also be what the NY Times doesn't cover. For example, the Columbia Journalism Review published a scathing report on how the…

Yes, the utter malice that has been displayed by the NYT over the years is mind boggling - yet they still seem to have this reputation as "the gray lady" as if they should be held in upmost regard. I get it that people want to trust in our institutions - but seriously, people need to wake up and stop taking things for granted. At least display a slight does of healthy skepticism every now and then.

Yeah it’s insane. Perhaps because their articles unrelated to foreign policy and politics are usually very well written, people assume they can trust everything

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by rbanffy »

Spooky23 wrote: post #743
colluphid wrote: post #711

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sed 's/fox/CNN/Ig'

I’m not a fan of CNN, but they do a better job at distinguishing the difference between news and editorial. The Fox issue is they conflate the two. I used to watch alot of TV news and the actual news content was pretty good on Fox on national issues, but their affiliates were usually pretty awful. The news product produced by the networks until circa 1999 were a superior product in every way. Cable outlets have alway…

> but they do a better job

The Onion does a better job than Fox.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by refurb »

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #585
refurb wrote: post #543

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You realize Hilary lost election using that same argument? Labeling your political opponents as “trash” turns off a lot of people.

Sometimes spades need to be labeled as such.

That kind of rhetoric sounds awfully similar to what led to the tragedies in Cambodia, Yugoslavia and Indonesia.

I hope your political views mature someday to the point you realize how counterproductive it is.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by abstrakraft »

bigger_inside wrote: post #47

There are literal mountains of sociological studies on how (state and corporate) media have been in service of the powers that be, for decades, and how exactly this works. With a mountain of examples. So, for sociologists, this feels like "wow, it only took half a century to trickle through." Though of course this is the wrong reaction; it has always trickled through. Only that, in the past, it took a few years or de…

So would it be fair to say that you're in the half that believes in the misleading?
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