Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

Post by JaggerJo » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

buildbot wrote: post #176

jlv2 wrote: post #154

There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.

Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

Post by justapassenger » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

JoshCole wrote: post #411

panick21_ wrote: post #206

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Do you have actual knowlage of Tesla internal QA processes, any kind of source at all? Based on there presentation, they for sure have a whole load of tests, many built directly from real world situation that the car has to handle. They simulate sensor input based on the simulation and check the car does the right thing. They very likely have some internal test drivers and before the software goes public it goes to t…

I strongly feel people ought to have these discussions while consistently citing actual data sources relevant to the discussion. For example, did you predict, based on the speculation of Tesla being incompetent with regard to safety, that they have the lowest probability of injury scores of any car manufacturer? Because they do. Did you predict, based on speculation about Elon Musk's incompetence in predicting that s…

Post by vel0city » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:45 PM UTC

winter_blue wrote: post #407

jacquesm wrote: post #339

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'only' ? That's a significant amount of cash for features that I would likely never use.

It does have Navigate on Autopilot (and Auto Lane Change), and on long trips, it's been able to switch lanes & take the correct exit to switch to a different highway, etc. It pretty much let me daydream / think about other stuff while on the highway while keeping a finger on the steering wheel. Sadly, it does shut itself off as soon as you're off a highway however. (That's where FSD would hypothetically come in, once…

Post by dylan604 » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

justapassenger wrote: post #414

whamlastxmas wrote: post #388

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The person above you has no idea what they’re talking about. There’s literally hundreds of people at Tesla whose job is QA and tools to support QA

And how does that change anything about my statements? Yeah, they have QA. But for the problem they claim they’re solving (robotaxis) and speed of pushing stuff to customers (on the order of days) it vastly, vastly insufficient. And it lacks any safety lifecycle process regards - again, just look at the timelines. Even if you’re super efficient, you cannot possibly claim you can even such a basic things like proper c…

Post by rodgerd » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:47 PM UTC

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #337

varjag wrote: post #264

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Practical neural networks operate in enormous parameter spaces that are impossible to meaningfully test for all possible adversarial inputs and degraded outputs. Your FSD could well recognize stop signs in your battery of tests but not when someone drew a squirrel on it with green sharpie.

Something a bit similar is clinical trial and it is accepted without problem. You make a black box test on several thousands (sometimes only hundreds) patients, and if patients who received the drug perform better the patients who received the placebo, then the drug is usually accepted for commercialization. Yet one isolated patient may be subject to several comorbidities, her environment could be weird, she could in…