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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by panick21_ »

root_axis wrote: post #166
billfor wrote: post #116

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Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.

> It does make the occasional mistake Yeah, that's what I mean by "dangerous".

Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can?

I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why.

Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you are in FSD.

How do you make that calculation?

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Post by JKCalhoun »

Tostino wrote: post #248
Kiro wrote: post #228

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Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.

There are plenty of other places you could go travel to where you get to see some amazing wonders right before your guaranteed death. Right here on earth too. Why no go for some of those? You can likely do it for cheaper too.

My last thoughts as I gasped for air in the gripping cold of the Martian plain was, "Wait, this is it?"

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Post by adamjcook »

slg wrote: post #342
adamjcook wrote: post #296

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> The OTA updates do provide an avenue to make cars much safer by reducing the friction for these type of safety fixes. True, but let us also acknowledge the immense systems safety downsides of OTA updates given the lack of effective automotive regulation in the US (and to varying degrees globally). OTA updates can also be utilized to hide safety-critical system defects that did exist on a fleet for a time. Also, the…

This is a totally fair response since I didn't say that directly in my comment, but I 100% agree. OTA updates are a valuable safety tool. They also have a chance to be abused. We can rein them in through regulation without getting rid of them entirely because they do have the potential to save a lot of lives.

I agree.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by swyx »

mdeeks wrote: post #114
swyx wrote: post #61

is this the largest car recall in history? holy crap edit: looks like no.. the largest was 578607 cars... also by Tesla lol

The word recall is misleading. It’s a software update. My cars both updated last night. I’m guessing it was this patch. If that’s the case then the “recall” is probably largely already done.

well yeah if thats the case its not really a recall, agreed

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by skullone »

robomartin wrote: post #344

If Tesla are not careful with this, drivers of other vehicles will have serious reservations being anywhere around a Tesla. I have to say, I already do. I will not stay behind or next to a Tesla if I can avoid it. I'll avoid being in front of one if the distance is such that I cannot react if the thing decides to suddenly accelerate or, while stopping, not break enough or at all. In other words, I have no interest in…

I was driving behind a Tesla which I can only assume was on FSD mode down a narrow side street coming up to a turn to a busy intersection. The car/driver almost drove straight into cross traffic, ended up blocking a lane without moving for like 15 seconds before it turned right (while signalling left) and almost crashed again into the oncoming traffic coming the other way. Seriously unsafe

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Post by gg-plz »

breck wrote: post #368
gg-plz wrote: post #299

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Is your post supposed to be read as genuine or sarcastic? It looks to me like a strawman of a Tesla owner stereotype, and I don’t want to accidentally eat the onion here by taking it at face value. Your post appears to be saying that Tesla’s FSD is way worse than human drivers, not safer than them, but we should still welcome it for the convenience. Again, this reads like a strawman. I would like to think the average…

> is way worse than human drivers No, I said it's way worse than me . Probably around performance of the average human driver. I am training to be an astronaut, so on the advanced side.

A lot of people say they’re significantly better than average driver. It’s such a stereotypical thing to say, that it probably has negative truth value on average, since it reflects broad personal confidence more than actual driving skill.

You still sound like you’re trying to present the weakest possible straw man for Tesla critics to attack. Stop this bad faith attempt to make Tesla look bad; you’re dragging down the discourse. Nobody is going to take your bait and feed you the expected counter arguments to the nonsense you expressed up-thread.

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Post by asdff »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #190
buildbot wrote: post #176

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Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.

Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.

Recall should just mean affected vehicles must have the fix. What component of the vehicle is affected or how it is supposed to be fixed should be irrelevant, something is defective and the vehicles should probably not be used until that's sorted.
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