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Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Sometimes spades need to be labeled as such.

You're a jaded, delusional, and bitter redditor.

Jaded, absolutely. Bitter? Rarely.

But delusional? Not at all. Please feel free to embarrass yourself attempting to prove that anything I've stated is incorrect.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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I can remember seeing Walter Cronkite on a PBS panel discussion warning America that this would be the end result of the deregulation of media ownership. If a small number of people are allowed to own the vast majority of media outlets, those media outlets are no longer going to represent the interests of the public at large. Back when all television/radio was broadcast over the air, there used to be this quaint conc…

I dunno. I suspect that the news was just as partisan and biased back then, but the public was less able to independently verify news reports.

Of course the news has always been partisan. They were just honest about it in the past. Look how many newspapers have Democrat or some variation of Republican in their masthead. The real scandal is the recent fiction that journalists are unbiased.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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The most valuable asset of a new organization is trust, and thus they are often bought as propaganda platforms. But propaganda is tricky, you need people to keep paying attention which means the most overt spin is to be avoided. Done well you shift the narrative over decades not just swap positions on day one. Fox News is the most well known US example, but you don’t want to just preach to people who already believe…

The Fox horizontal integration is brilliant. They pull in people with sports and other complimentary content and cross-sell the profitable propaganda. The New York Post is a great example. It was the sports and bookie newspaper - they’d publish Vegas odds and have tabloid news. They slowly transformed into a giant editorial paper and funnel into the broader Fox ecosystem. They have an effective, free product. I need…

The most amazing part of it is that even Fox doesn't call itself a news outlet but entertainment. They sell rage and self-validation.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Yes I know that traditionally media has been used for propaganda, but I'm surprised by the reactions in this thread and those who find what seems like fairly objective reporting as biased. Can someone show me a story from the NYT world or US news sites that are deliberately misleading? If this propaganda is so rampant then where is it? (Note: I'm opinion articles excluded because they are uh opinions). https://www.ny…

>Can someone show me a story from the NYT world or US news sites that are deliberately misleading?

How about their "reporting" on the jews and certain activities with them in a European country before the US entered WWII? Just do a modicum of research and if you are not thoroughly repulsed by the character of the NYT...

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Bad take. For one, any time you try to evaluate "the media" as a single entity, you've already failed. Secondly, the first example of "not really lying" is most definitely a deliberate lie.

How is reporting on actual data from a government website a deliberate lie?

Because the data was completely misrepresented. VAERS is unvetted raw data from the public. Anyone who has experience or imagined a malady after self-reporting that they received a vaccine dose can make a report to VAERS. Portraying VAERS reports as conclusive causation is most definitely lying.

The headline presents the conclusions as unambiguous: "New Vaccine Data Shows Alarming Number Of Stillbirths And Miscarriages Caused By Covid Shot". Aside from referring to "covid shot" as a single thing and the 8 different vaccines available.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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It's idealogical capture. Example: Hallmark doubles down on LGBT content, president splits to create the Great American Channel with pro-christian and anti-lgbt content. The GAC channel is one of the channels with the fastest increase in subscribers. This is a case study that several researchers we have are actively investigating as we look to buy ads on that network.

I don't even understand, if the guy was able to leave and create a new channel to serve this audience how is that an example of what you call ideological capture. An important part of business is targeting your offering to the intended market -- it sounds like the intended market for Hallmark is not the same as the intended market for Great American Channel. If Hallmark content is so objectionable to its viewership t…

I agree you don't understand.

Hallmark is a traditionally conservative channel, this is extremely well known to marketing arms of other firms. It's rapid switch to LGBT content was idealogical capture because a large amount of its executives,employees,and target market did not want such things.

Hallmark is a company that was ideologically captured. Imagine a meat company, that forces its president out, to become a vegan company. That meat company underwent idealogical capture, and now works against its original goals that were profitable. Notice how this is different than a pivot, a pivot is executed when the company is not profitable.

The Great America Channel was created and supported by many many ex-hallmark channel employees including executives, actors, finance, and more. It's subscribers increasing every day. Our firm fully expects it to become the new "hallmark" channel within 2 years.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Yes I know that traditionally media has been used for propaganda, but I'm surprised by the reactions in this thread and those who find what seems like fairly objective reporting as biased. Can someone show me a story from the NYT world or US news sites that are deliberately misleading? If this propaganda is so rampant then where is it? (Note: I'm opinion articles excluded because they are uh opinions). https://www.ny…

There is so much. Any time there's a war, the NY Times manufactures consent, Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction for example, more than half of Americans thought Saddam had nukes. Russiagate is a recent example: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/02/03/reveal... Misleading can also be what the NY Times doesn't cover. For example, the Columbia Journalism Review published a scathing report on how the…

Yes, the utter malice that has been displayed by the NYT over the years is mind boggling - yet they still seem to have this reputation as "the gray lady" as if they should be held in upmost regard. I get it that people want to trust in our institutions - but seriously, people need to wake up and stop taking things for granted. At least display a slight does of healthy skepticism every now and then.
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