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I do not use Telegram: what SMS code?
the Two Factor auth to validate is really you after guessing/knowing your pass from a previous leak
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Everyone in that group also has to manage to keep that 1 GB secret.
also how do you ensure the messages haven't been corrupted in transit
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#64I monitor Russian war channels and some people there insist on using Telegram only for Russian military people. If you use Whatsapp, Ukrainian officers will get all chats from NATO. Telegram accounts of opposition were hacked by belarus police as well. It's known and documented. My takeaway is that for truly private chat one should write his own software using simple crypto without all those fancy clients. Ideally ju…
I don't think anyone can whatsapp chat. Somehow, whats app is the most reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging service today and many just don't know.
The system that depends on a good will and "trust me bro" is not secure by default, even if Meta/Facebook were the most trustworthy company in the world under the most honest legislation.
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also how do you ensure the messages haven't been corrupted in transit
You can never ensure that your communication channel isn’t corrupted. But with a one time pad you’ll just receive unreadable garbage then. You‘re also free to sign messages before encryption.
if they guess wrong, there's a little unreadable garbage in the message, but in many scenarios they only have to guess right once
so you need some kind of message authenticator like hmac or poly1305, but as i understand it, these lack the absolute security guarantee of a one-time pad
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#68Smoke and mirrors, this post. Maybe replace Telegram with SS7 and it would make more sense.
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telegram isn't e2e encrypted (unless you use secret chats which nobody does (and those do not support more than 2 participants))
Not only that but they've made suspicious ties with the Kremlin that resulted in it being unblocked in Russia and have a mysterious source of funding after TON collapsed.
I thought Pavel Durov (founder) isn't really welcome in Russia. He seems to have a left a lot of money on the table with his previous company (VK) to get out of there.
The interpretation of events with telegram I've always heard has been that Russia tried to block telegram but doing so blocked most of the rest of useful services as telegram was hosted on e.g. AWS. This meant that real work was slowed. In the end, they gave up because continuing the block would mean crippling their access to the internet.
I have found it weird that pro-putin russians still use telegram. But it seems like a lack of discipline which is quite the plague of russian military.
I'd genuinely love to get good information on this as I use telegram as it is a great piece of technology and wouldn't if it were collaborating with russian government. I think a lot of rumors do not distinguish between russian people and russian government. And that's pretty damaging.