When everything is fake news, the fascists win.
Democracy is dying and "both sides" believe the other is the "enemy".
It's going to get bloody, folks.
Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#12I don't know about the "deliberate" part, but on "mislead" this is good news. Gell-Mann amnesia[1] is wearing off.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnes...
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#13Better headline: half of Americans don't know that (many) news organizations deliberately mislead them.
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#14Yes --- and the biggest offenders are the ones who regularly complain about it.
Citation needed.
With all due respect, you either don't live in the US or are living under a rock if you feel like you need citation. Denying the US's propaganda machine is like denying climate change at this point. The news corps don't tell flat lies, they cherry-pick facts and events, often reporting them out of proportion to paint a narrative; which is almost as bad as telling flat lies.
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#15Because, to first approximation, this is true. Every organization, every person has their own biases and agenda. I'm not sure why Americans believe that objectivity in news reporting is even possible. Other countries don't seem to have as much of an issue with this, since you typically have news sources that are either owned directly by the government or are published by political parties.
This is still very much an issue in many countries with government owned "nonprofit" media. Even in countries with low amount of corruption and high freedom of press.
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#16They do. The only real investigative journalists these days - Edward Snowden and Julian Assange - face life in prison and exile.
Even Seymour Hersh has been smeared to discredit him now he dared speak against the establishment.
It is not journalists' role to be a mouthpiece for the government, but to challenge it.
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#17Highly relevant: https://AstralCodexTen.substack.com/p/the-media-very-rarely-...
> The point is: the media rarely lies explicitly and directly. Reporters rarely say specific things they know to be false. When the media misinforms people, it does so by misinterpreting things, excluding context, or signal-boosting some events while ignoring others, not by participating in some bright-line category called “misinformation”. I don't think it's true (why would it be), and even it is true, it is stupid…
> It only can cause harm, but no benefits at all.
you’re on HN. surely you have the imagination.
edit: apparently not
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#18I don't know about the "deliberate" part, but on "mislead" this is good news. Gell-Mann amnesia[1] is wearing off. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnes...
IDK I've watched this video looking for a "lunge" a hand full of times and it seems like a deliberate lie. An honest headline would probably center around a man getting his face grabbed, but that's not at all how it was reported.
Rare to be able to factcheck an article without leaving the page and disprove it from its own content, but the lies are not rare.
https://www.newsweek.com/video-mike-rogers-held-back-he-lung...
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#19I remember being in an after school philosophy club and we were discussing truth. My teacher popped out of his office, blurted out then returned to his office: “all objectivity moves through subjectivity”.
We never discussed it in the context of new media but it feels quite relevant.
Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them
#20Better headline: half of Americans don't know that (many) news organizations deliberately mislead them.
Bette yet: half of Americans believe in conspiracies with superhuman coordination and execution capabilities.
I’ve worked in a newsroom. The idea that puppet masters thousands of miles away are controlling things is absurd to the point of hilarity.
Yes, Rupert Murdoch, etc. But it’s all emergent behavior. There is no master plan. These organizations are not well run enough to deliberately get stories out in time, let alone conspire to mislead.