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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Caffeine is absolutely deadly toxic to many organisms, including humans. Five grams and you’re very likely to end up dead.

Isn't 5g around 60 cups of coffee? Over what span of time would those need to be ingested?

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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If only the president's party controlled both houses of Congress, they could have passed a bill and he would have signed it. An hypothetical situation, when this was being discussed about 3 months ago...

No, I mean, how do you do it? Do you walk into the offices with the army and force them out? Take all their assets? You realize you'd probably have people funded by the railroads storming the capital? It'd be like a revolution.

You buy out the shareholders in a compulsory acquisition.

Fantasies about the army and revolutions are childish imagination run wild.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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It's odd how silent out Transportation Secretary is about this. A cursory review of his twitter page is just gushing reports of important meetings and platitudes about "building back better". Some accountability or semblance of investigation would be appreciated.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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post #576

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If only the president's party controlled both houses of Congress, they could have passed a bill and he would have signed it. An hypothetical situation, when this was being discussed about 3 months ago...

No, I mean, how do you do it? Do you walk into the offices with the army and force them out? Take all their assets? You realize you'd probably have people funded by the railroads storming the capital? It'd be like a revolution.

How did FDR buy up all the gold? Just pass a bill, no army needed. Isn't the USA a rule of law state?

Now, if the railroad bosses are willing to fight with the federal government, they are welcome to hire mercenaries. I hear Wagner wants cash.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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The chemicals are not very toxic and they have low environmental and biological persistence and they were almost all destroyed in the controlled fire

That's a glass half full perspective! How come so many fish and animals are still dying or are dead in the area?

Fish are very sensitive

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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False equivalence Clinton was president in the 90s, prove he removed more regulations than Republicans, finally Republicans are the only ones who compalin about regulations

Clinton lifted Glass-Steagal, a deregulation move that can be directly linked to creating the conditions that led to the 2008 crash, the consolidation craze that's ruining every industry (including rail), the erosion of worker rights and the growing wealth gap that is really at the root of populism including Trump

Prove the lifting of that act was a significant cause of the wealth gap

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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The EPA famously declared the air safe following 9/11. Their credibility is, at least for me personally, negligible. The flint water crisis and the Gold King Mine are other examples. People are rightfully worried and angered. Your dismissal of them as "losing their mind" or "hysterical" is at best tone deaf, and at worst an intentional tactic to downplay the event. Appeals to governmental authority falls flat when th…

The EPA has absolutely nothing to do with Flint.

You should probably let the EPA know then:

https://www.epa.gov/flint

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Caffeine is absolutely deadly toxic to many organisms, including humans. Five grams and you’re very likely to end up dead.

Isn't 5g around 60 cups of coffee? Over what span of time would those need to be ingested?

Depends heavily on the type of coffee. The monoamine oxidase inhibitors in coffee could kill you first by causing serotonin syndrome.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Again. Obama tried and couldn't whereas the republicans don't even care. False equivalence which is a typical strategy of republican traitors like you

Obama had a super majority. He could have done anything he wanted. You’re looking at this through blue colored glasses, go check out my comment history and re-evaluate that last comment.

"Yes it is, if Obama’s regime had the strength of their convictions to enact the rules they wanted, that train would have been classified hazardous. I found out that classification would have"

Do you remember when democrats had just Manchin blocking legislation and everyone blamed them. However they ignored that every republican was also against it. That's basically what you're doing for this.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Obama had a super majority. He could have done anything he wanted. You’re looking at this through blue colored glasses, go check out my comment history and re-evaluate that last comment.

"Yes it is, if Obama’s regime had the strength of their convictions to enact the rules they wanted, that train would have been classified hazardous. I found out that classification would have" Do you remember when democrats had just Manchin blocking legislation and everyone blamed them. However they ignored that every republican was also against it. That's basically what you're doing for this.

Republican leaders believe that government is bad, regulations are bad, and advocate for a world where basically the strong survive. They don’t give a flying f if people who live next to a railroad track in Ohio get cancer, if the tried harder they’d live in the fancy alcoves they live in, where poison carrying trains don’t run through.

They are pretty consistent about this and enacted policies that align with that view when in power. Can’t fault them for that right, frog and the scorpion.

The Democratic leadership says the opposite. Government is good for people, regulations protect underprivileged people from exploitation of a monopoly transporting poison in the backyard, among other things.

When in power, they capitulated to the chemical lobbyists that wanted trains carrying these obviously flammable chemicals not classified as hazardous flammable. They could have put that rule in place, they wanted to, and they bent. They folded. I don’t understand, other than blind party loyalty or just a fear that any critical thought or speech about the democrats is akin to helping republicans, why you can’t see what I’m saying here.

I know I can’t bend republicans, but I can sure bend the people who already agree and are feckless in implementing their goals.

I do remember when Manchin was blocking legislation. It was quite literally his fault that we don’t have the child credit that lifted 50% of the kids in poverty in the country out of it, because he thought that giving money to underprivileged kids could result in the mothers using the money for drugs. It’s quite literally his fault.

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