China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.
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#82These forces are used to spy on, harass, and oppress Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. You can find many other news sources focused on that: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york&iar=news&i... Including the NY Times: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york+site%3Anyt... Why did the Economist omit that entirely (unless I overlooked something)? Also, why repeat Chinese government clai…
No they don't.
I can highly recommend their podcast series on Xi Jinping, The Prince
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What do you mean?
I mean the assertion that this was a Russian-op instead of a US-op and that the journalist is spreading misinformation. (They said the same thing about Hersh earlier too btw and were proved wrong - twice). The denials will be ameliorated after several years when no one cares about it.
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NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...
> NYT fired editors and journalists over that This isn't quite what the article says. It mentions Howell Raines, but he seemed to have been ousted due to staff discontent as well as a plagiarism scandal [1]. The article also mentions Judith Miller, and her case was interesting to say the least. The NYT assigned her to work closely with American intelligence, so of course she's going to report what they have to say, s…
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Or maybe a newspaper that was known to peddle Iraq War propaganda shouldn't be treated as the source of truth when it comes to known about America's enemies. I'm not saying that it's wrong in this instance, but it's definitely sensational. The Economist trusts that its readers can come to their own conclusion when it comes to extrajudicial extraditions. Just because they said something positive about China's motivati…
NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...
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Re-reading my comments, I apologize if I came across as 'whataboutism', that is not what is intended. I just read your first link (CNN) and again, I am still left with the same question. It first states, "...using bilateral security arrangements struck with countries in Europe and Africa to gain a widespread presence internationally..." which seems to suggest the hosts countries are fully (or at minimum somewhat) awa…
> If they're being accused of fraud or other illegal activities, are those really people we want in our countries.
Whatever happened to presumption of innocence? Being accused does not mean much on its own.
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> You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit of justice Yes, it reads to me like an implicit justification, an argument that the issues are merely legal, about sovereignty, and not moral and political, an attack on innocent people and on freedom.
Come to think about it. Russia took a page from the NATO supported war or terrorism euth invasion of Ukraine (badly executed as it was). And so did China, Guantanamo Bay is still not closed, prpably all the other black sites neither. And back then e.g. Germany did nothing when people were illegally flown their from German territory. In fact, the foreign minister of Germany at the time (who did exactly nothing about t…
I don't know about China, but Russia took a page from their own playbook since war with Ukraine is not much different with what happened with Georgia (South Ossetia, Abkhazia), Moldova (Transnistria), Chechnya, many years before the start of the "War on Terror".
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#88China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.
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You’re comparing different sources, which measure different things: the stats for China are simply stated as “read and write” but the stats for America absolutely bungled in the second article. It’s terribly structured and written, so it’s hard to tell for certain, but appears to sometimes be talking about some sort of reading proficiency in English (which is possibly why California comes out so low).
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#89What people don't realize is that extra-judicial "persuasion" is also commonly applied for strategic business interests. I recall a discussion with a someone at an electronics company a while ago where they described recent breaches and leaks of IP to Chinese state companies by unwitting employees pressured by these extra-judicial police.
No question that this is a threat, but at this point I also feel compelled to point out that the US(&UK) judiciary has been accused of the same : 1.) https://www.economist.com/business/2019/01/17/how-the-americ... (Notably, some of the most vocal opponents of Macron go as far as to accuse him of treason for personal gain in this case, though their case is IMHO kind of thin.) 2.) https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5127…
I'm not seeing the similarities to what the parent comment describes.
The people accused of participating of wrongdoing in these articles weren't pressured to participate by threats to their families from their "home" government. They did it for personal gain.
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NYT fired editors and journalists over that > New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq 2004 https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...
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There's a large number of Trump associates (but not Trump himself) who've been successfully prosecuted for various sorts of overseas "collusion". This is much more than the zero one would expect.
e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort ; linked to Viktor Yanukovych, of the pro-Russian faction in Ukraine.