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S.F. landlords, property owners sue to block voter-approved vacancy tax

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Re: S.F. landlords, property owners sue to block voter-approved vacancy tax

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It’s hardly irrelevant. Proved by the fact the people voted for a vacancy tax and not an unused GPU tax.

/me facepalms That’s circular. This discussion of GPUs started when tomcam asked why a tax on unused housing was OK, and whether or not it could be extended to a tax on unused GPUs. In particular, a vacancy tax seems to force people to rent out property rather than merely posses it. Can the same law be used to force people to enter into other rental agreements? I have a bunch of old computer parts, including motherbo…

Lots of other people, including me, have pointed out that the differentiating principle is "is X a fundamental human need". Housing is, GPUs aren't.

But to steelman the strawman you're putting up here, economics tries really hard to maximize the efficiency of markets, the idea being if you've got something you can make money with (e.g. a CPU/GPU/book/bike/car/bed you could rent out) you should, and thereby someone gets to use your thing and you get to make a little money. You paint this as some kind of hyper-communistic dystopia, but this is actually the world that hyper-capitalist companies like Uber and Airbnb are working pretty hard to create right now.

This is critical to understanding the anti-democratic underpinnings of this landlord action. There's nothing unconstitutional going on here--it's basic market regulation that States and the US have been doing for literally hundreds of years. There's nothing wrong with policies aimed at making markets more efficient, that's why we have regulations and antitrust.

And besides, rental housing is a market. Hogging supply to artificially inflate market prices is generally a crime. Suppliers in this market are suspected of doing that, so the people of SF are taking action to make them stop. They're lucky they're getting off with a tax.

That said, I'm not a fan of this policy in this case. SF's vacancy rate is super low, and I think that indicates this tax won't result in meaningful revenue or vacancy rate increases. This seems like purely a supply problem. I know there are other places (Vancouver, Toronto, NYC) where "property as investment" has gotten out of hand and municipalities are passing laws to try and address it, but they had way higher vacancy rates than SF.

I could be wrong though. Others have made the argument that SF's market is secretly inefficient, that for one reason or another landlords are reporting their units as occupied when they in fact aren't. In that case, this tax might motivate those landlords to rent their places. I don't buy this though, in particular I don't think many people would leave > $30k a year on the table just to have the option of one day letting their parents move into a unit.

Re: S.F. landlords, property owners sue to block voter-approved vacancy tax

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The authority to establish speed limits is based on what Amendment? The authority for States to proscribe abortion is based on what Amendment? The authority of States to proscribe selling alcohol to minors is based on what Amendment? The authority of States to require that you enter a contract with an insurer before operating a vehicle is based on what Amendment? (Sorry these textualist posts are just extremely tedio…

I'm not arguing against this tax or its legality but find the rest of your comment interesting. >The authority of States to proscribe selling alcohol to minors is based on what Amendment? Commerce clause says congress has the right to regulate commerce. >The authority of States to require that you enter a contract with an insurer before operating a vehicle is based on what. Amendment? Little know fact, states only ha…

> Commerce clause says congress has the right to regulate commerce.

The _Federal_ govt can regulate _interstate_ commerce. The way they enforce minimum alcohol age and speed limits is by threatening to withhold highway subsidies.

The way States have the authority is the 10th Amendment + there's not a Constitutional right to ingest whatever you want (actually seems like a core freedom, but let's not get sidetracked). Generally this creates a system where States are free to restrict "rights" the Constitution is silent on.

> Little know fact, states only have the right to require insurance if a vehicle is being used for commerce. Personal use transportation does not legally require DMV registration or insurance

This is super wrong. Here's Indiana's statute [0]. Nothing about commercial use only. States have total authority here as long as their constitutions permit it.

[0]: https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-9-motor-vehicles/in-code-...

Re: S.F. landlords, property owners sue to block voter-approved vacancy tax

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I'm not arguing against this tax or its legality but find the rest of your comment interesting. >The authority of States to proscribe selling alcohol to minors is based on what Amendment? Commerce clause says congress has the right to regulate commerce. >The authority of States to require that you enter a contract with an insurer before operating a vehicle is based on what. Amendment? Little know fact, states only ha…

> Commerce clause says congress has the right to regulate commerce. The _Federal_ govt can regulate _interstate_ commerce. The way they enforce minimum alcohol age and speed limits is by threatening to withhold highway subsidies. The way States have the authority is the 10th Amendment + there's not a Constitutional right to ingest whatever you want (actually seems like a core freedom, but let's not get sidetracked).…

>This is super wrong. Here's Indiana's statute [0]. Nothing about commercial use only.

The key is in the terminology used. A "motor vehicle" is distinctly different from "personal/private transport" from a legal standpoint. The former describes a form of transport used for commercial purposes. It's also why these commercial licenses and registrations are issued by an organization called the DMV.

Traveling on roads is a right defined in common law, only doing so in a commercial capacity is a privilege that can be regulated using licenses. Hard to believe, I know.

>Payne v. Massey (19__) 196 SW 2nd 493, 145 Tex 273. “The court makes it clear that a license relates to qualifications to engage in profession, business, trade or calling; thus, when merely traveling without compensation or profit, outside of business enterprise or adventure with the corporate state, no license is required of the natural individual traveling for personal business, pleasure and transportation.”[0]

>American Mutual Liability Ins. Co., vs. Chaput, 60 A.2d 118, 120; 95 NH 200 Motor Vehicle: 18 USC Part 1 Chapter 2 section 31 definitions: “(6) Motor vehicle. – The term “motor vehicle” means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways…” 10) The term “used for commercial purposes” means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit. “A motor vehicle or automobile for hire is a motor vehicle, other than an automobile stage, used for the transportation of persons for which remuneration is received.”[0]

[0] https://wearechange.org/u-s-supreme-court-says-no-license-ne...

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