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China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Post by markdown »

I don't know if it's mentioned in this paywalled article, but a few years ago Chinese police came to Fiji and arrested 77 people they claimed were Chinese criminals.

They put them on a chartered plane and flew them back to China.

Fiji's then government let this happen and even helped them. They were not given their day in (a Fijian) court... simply bundled into a plane and flown away on the say-so of the Chinese.

China will pull these stunts elsewhere if they can get away with it. Fiji has a new govt now that wouldn't allow this. Choose good leaders.

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Post by glogla »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26
cm2012 wrote: post #23

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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Your post history is full of pro-China political posts. Why are you on this site?

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Post by wolverine876 »

daniel-s wrote: post #30
Swenrekcah wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how this article can be read as “looking the other way” in any sense.

One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves. Not saying it's happening in this case, but suppose you're the Economist and want to win favour with the Chinese. You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit o…

> You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit of justice

Yes, it reads to me like an implicit justification, an argument that the issues are merely legal, about sovereignty, and not moral and political, an attack on innocent people and on freedom.

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Post by pas »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26
cm2012 wrote: post #23

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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Debatable. Their boneheaded way of brute-forcing lockdowns probably caused more harm overall. And they failed to contain it!

Not to mention the whole problem of not allowing foreign vaccines.

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Post by sohkamyung »

vore wrote: post #29
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets? In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."

> why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets

Maybe due to fear (at that time) that the pets would transmit COVID to human. One example is this hamster cull at a Hong Kong pet store [1].

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60038551

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Post by dtech »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26
cm2012 wrote: post #23

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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> At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives.

Has it though? It seems to have mostly delayed things, things got horrible when they reopened a couple of months ago...

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Post by wolverine876 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26
cm2012 wrote: post #23

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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> Things like this happen

A common talking point for evil. Everything happens; the statement means nothing. People die of cancer with and without treatment. Bugs are in software made by great coders in organizations with great process, and by bad coders with bad process.

So is everything pointless - freedom, democracy, cancer treatment, coding skill and process, etc. etc.?

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Post by 127 »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26
cm2012 wrote: post #23

China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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>At least the zero-CoVID policy saved millions of lives.

What's your evidence for this?

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Post by throwawaaay129 »

vore wrote: post #29
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets? In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."

How is beating pets to death political posturing..? Someone thought it'd make them look good?

Most likely it was some misinformed overzealous local official. Pets from pretty early on in the pandemic have been known to catch corona. I think the question of if you can catch the virus from a pet is inconclusive (last I heard) - but obviously very unlikely

If you are trying to get to zero COVID so your city isn't shutdown and thousands of people don't loose their way of life then you're prolly quarantining sick people. No one to take care of their potentially disease spreading pets, so local official decides better safe than sorry

It's messed up, but it's totally not unreasonable for someone on the local level to make this kind of call in a high pressure situation with minimal guidelines and the safety of a city on the line

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Post by [deleted] »

refurb wrote: post #18
thablackbull wrote: post #3

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Similar in the sense that countries don't like other countries coming into their country and doing whatever they want. If there are criminal issues, then they should be dealt with through normal channels. Lots of countries get into trouble from their intelligence work overstepping bounds. But of course the country complaining does it themselves, so it's a bit of "don't get caught doing it" approach.

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