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China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Similar in the sense that countries don't like other countries coming into their country and doing whatever they want. If there are criminal issues, then they should be dealt with through normal channels. Lots of countries get into trouble from their intelligence work overstepping bounds. But of course the country complaining does it themselves, so it's a bit of "don't get caught doing it" approach.

Except China is too big to "get in trouble".

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Yes. As the article states, the vast majority of them are suspected corrupt officials or scammers, but of course, you're being downvoted for suggesting that China is anything else but a Orwellian nightmare.

Ironically, there is a lot support on HN that executives should be imprisoned for white collared crime, like being responsible for the chemical spill in Ohio. It turns out the same due process that protects corrupt CEOs also protects political dissidents.

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Normalizing and redirection is a lame response. Extrajudicial kidnappings by states are bad no matter who is doing them, but I think you can probably find a better reference than a nearly 20 year old example that became a major scandal within the US, and when you do you can make it the subject of its own submission rather than a distraction from this one.

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China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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Has it saved lives?

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China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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I’ve seen a bunch of guys in Shanghai whomp on a guy trying to still a girl’s purse. The police just watched, it was Justice in their mind anyways. Things like that just happen I guess, it’s weird that I’ve seen this on TV in the states but never in real life.

I saw things in China that I would never see anywhere else, like a girl get killed when she was hit by a taxi (she was going against a red light, the taxi driver was going way too fast). The thump/crunch sound is one I’ll never forget. I guess it’s because there are so many people that the odds are good that you’ll see something crazy happen in real life and not just see it happen on TV.

I’m really glad I left China before COVID happened. From what I’ve heard from my friends still in Beijing, things have been really tough for the last couple of years. Yes, lives were saved by the suffering, but I’m still glad I personally didn’t have to go through it.

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China is really terrifying. I watched a video today of them taking pets from people and beating those pets to death as an anti covid measure this year. A billion plus people, largely uneducated, run by a despotic dictator- scary shit.

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I agree with you that there is a certain kind of fanaticism about reporting on China but... why would the zero COVID policy involve killing people's pets?

In any case, in the end it's all political posturing and propaganda from all sides but I don't think it's great to be framing things in terms of "well, this bad thing is actually not as bad as this worse thing, so we can overlook the less bad thing."

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These forces are used to spy on, harass, and oppress Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. You can find many other news sources focused on that: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york&iar=news&i... Including the NY Times: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york+site%3Anyt... Why did the Economist omit that entirely (unless I overlooked something)? Also, why repeat Chinese government clai…

I don’t see how this article can be read as “looking the other way” in any sense.

One way you can push propaganda as an agent is not to promote something obviously bad, especially if you would never get away with it, but to criticise it less than it deserves.

Not saying it's happening in this case, but suppose you're the Economist and want to win favour with the Chinese. You might consider an article criticising this activity as infringing on the sovereignty of the west and others in the pursuit of justice, rather than in the pursuit of destroying political opposition.

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