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China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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There have been a lot of criticism about that at the time in Italy, investigations and even a trial IIRC. So, these things happened, but weren't blindly accepted, at least not in Italy.

I'm just trying to understand the context of the 'arrests' as the article is paywalled. I'm not making any justifications in either of the cases, not sure why you feel the need to downvote a simple question for clarification.

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They don't have authority and jurisdiction to just "arrest" (aka kidnap in this case) people from other countries.

If they actually want to arrest someone, the local authorities need to do it, and they would agree only if the request is valid based on their international agreements, their asylum laws, etc.

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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Doubtful. I don't know if it's true, but, from the article:

> “We’re seeing the Chinese government resort to blackmail, threats of violence, stalking and kidnappings. They’ve actually engaged criminal organisations in the US, offering them bounties in hopes of successfully taking targets back to China,” said Mr Wray last year.

You don't blackmail or threaten terror suspects, you'd kidnap them immediately. And from the numbers, if "thousands" is accurate, there isn't that much terrorism going on.

Looks more like an intimidation campaign against oppositional Chinese people living abroad.

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These forces are used to spy on, harass, and oppress Chinese dissidents and human rights advocates. You can find many other news sources focused on that:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york&iar=news&i...

Including the NY Times:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chinese+police+new+york+site%3Anyt...

Why did the Economist omit that entirely (unless I overlooked something)? Also, why repeat Chinese government claims that these are criminals, using the word 'alleged' only in the first paragraph. Xi's crackdowns on fraud, etc. are at least in part crackdowns on political enemies - it's a basic tactic in the dictator's playbook.

I haven't read The Economist in a long time. Do they look the other way on China?

Re: China’s police are ensnaring thousands of suspects abroad

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What people don't realize is that extra-judicial "persuasion" is also commonly applied for strategic business interests. I recall a discussion with a someone at an electronics company a while ago where they described recent breaches and leaks of IP to Chinese state companies by unwitting employees pressured by these extra-judicial police.
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