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50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by panda88888 »

solarmist wrote: post #143
tristor wrote: post #100

Unsurprising for anyone that has done business in India. This is not a dig on Indian people, but the society they operate in is incredibly incredibly corrupt, on a scale which is basically unthinkable to anyone who hasn't been directly exposed to it. I cannot imagine doing business of the precision that Apple is trying to achieve in India. There are many other lower precision arrangements that can be worked out in In…

I had the same impressions of China 30 years ago too. Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels? Apple will absolutely get its way even against the Indian government. And if they really can’t they’ll abandon the country which would absolutely have a huge negative impact on Indias economy.

I agree with the huge negative impact if Apple abandons the effort. “If even Apple can’t do it, who can?” will be the new meme.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

kalesh wrote: post #21

I am an entrepreneur & a small business owner in India. I did a small manufacturing in China & was blown away by their professionalism. The article mentions - `Chinese suppliers had a totally different attitude, aiming to exceed the Cupertino company’s expectations` - this is so true. In India, most manufacturing companies or businesses are trying to sell what they have or can produce (without any attention to detail…

Isn't China known for crappy stuff like selling say, several tonnes of copper only to find out upon delivery that the purity is absolute shit?

My only personal experience with Chinese manufacturing is a company I worked for having a case for a product manufactured there, had our own industrial designer who came up with something beautiful, found a manufacturer and started getting sample cases in then eventually larger batches.

2 months later, we see our company's case listed all over Alibaba/Aliexpress.

Of course Apple gets good results from China, they have the $$$ to avoid the usual scams/corruption. But a smaller business/start-up will still be taken advantage of, imo.

And say you want to start a business there, doesn't Chinese law still stipulate that 51% of any business in China has to be owned by your Chinese partner? If I move to China right now and start a life there I don't believe I'd be allowed to start a business.

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Post by grantsch »

voakbasda wrote: post #141
grantsch wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

When your competition is willing to lie and cheat, honesty is a liability that will result in bankruptcy. Worse, this attitude is endemic in all business sectors where I have worked, and I would be shocked to find a sector where this is not true.

Yes that is 1 way to justify compromising your ethics

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Post by grantsch »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #128
grantsch wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

I'm not sure it really is. Dial your time machine back to Victorian London and I bet you would find lots of similarly-run factories. As another poster pointed out, the choices are essentially 1) be honest that you are kind of a bad factory, and can't really produce anything that people want or 2) pretend that you are a great factory, get some business, learn and iterate. Eventually you can honestly promise high quali…

Yes you are correct that lying and cheating does have a long history

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Post by grantsch »

serf wrote: post #126
grantsch wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

as someone who has ran a machine shop, that's lovely -- but rare. 95 percent of the shops I have known in the past or worked with currently would sell you their ability to do something while simultaneous upgrading their equipment to match the moment the PO is signed off on. If fab/machine/mfg shops didn't take on work that was beyond their capability then the smaller groups would starve to death immediately, being un…

Yes I am aware that lying and cheating is very common behavior

In those lines of work where it's especially common, ethical behavior can be a competitive advantage

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