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Re: Tax raids at BBC offices in India enter second day

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Post by simonh »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #122
simonh wrote: post #110

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Fair enough, they knew that the minorities would be bullied by Hindus.

Sorry but that's still an extremely simplistic take, if not to say ignorant. The poor bullied minorities ™ went on to genocide Bangladeshis in East Pakistan for wanting independence and raped hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi women, only a few years after Pakistan itself had seceded. I know many Westerners love a good minority story but Islamists aren't that.

Just as not all Hindus are bullies, surely not all Muslims are Islamists? As an atheist I could give a single crap about these labels. Can we all agree that because some people there in category A did something bad to some people in category B, doesn’t mean it’s right for some other people in category B over here to hurt some other people in category A. Right?

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Post by girishso »

pphysch wrote: post #156
fleddr wrote: post #127

Isn't it impressive how incompetent authoritarian regimes are? I mean, India has a great thing going. Geopolitically, it's exempt from bans on trading with Russia, so it can play both sides and get away with it. It has build up a vast services industry as the "back office of the world", a major driver of economic prosperity. It's likely the main beneficiary of re-shoring manufacturing out of China. In this position,…

I thought India was "the world's largest democracy". When did it become an "authoritarian regime"?

2014

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Post by jacknews »

jamesredd wrote: post #116
satya71 wrote: post #96

This is the favored tactic of Indian government when trying to intimidate the press (or politicians). [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/it-raids...

When Europe banned Russian press was that press intimidation?

RT were banned, and for a specific reason, whether or not you agree with it.

If the Indian government have a legitimate complaint against the BBC they should do the same.

This is harassment, designed to intimidate, without providing an actual (valid or not) reason, or being an actual sanction.

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Post by oa335 »

chimeracoder wrote: post #138
oa335 wrote: post #125

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Lol now you are doing the same type of generalization but for the other side, sarcastically labeling Muslims in Pakistan as “poor bullies minorities” and “Islamists”. The point isn’t that one side is inherently better the other, the point is that people feared minorities wouldn’t fare well in a United India due to longstanding communal issues. Bangladesh war for independence is just supporting that point, as is RSS/H…

> The point isn’t that one side is inherently better the other, the point is that people feared minorities wouldn’t fare well in a United India due to longstanding communal issues. Bangladesh war for independence is just supporting that point, as is RSS/Hindutva, etc. This is nonsensical. The Liberation War is absolutely not an example of how "minorities won't fare well". For starters, the group targeted by the genoc…

How would you characterize the genocide in East Pakistan, if not driven by communal divides?

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Post by sjnonweb »

MPlus88 wrote: post #198
sjnonweb wrote: post #131

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Pseudo Historian so good that he cooked up all the ancient texts, ashoka pillar, coinage, stupa, architectural remains, etc right? Anyways! Can you cite a non-pseudo source for you claims?

Yeah, a pillar here and a coin dug up there and you can weave a whole story. It this is true I would assume the British would learn this history from the native people in the subcontinent instead of the other way. It would be like the Europeans have never heard of the Roman Empire or Julius Caesar until they learned it from Japan.

Like i said, any credible source for what you are claiming?

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Post by sjnonweb »

MPlus88 wrote: post #199
sjnonweb wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just citing one example from the many. India as an entity has been dissolved and established multiples times in the history. British came at the weak period of India, essentially during a long civil war that was going on across the whole subcontinent.

"India as an entity has been dissolved and established multiples times in the history." I found it interesting that Indians for some reason like to insist on this absurdity. There must be some benefits or advantages of making such claim.

If you keep calling historical facts as absurdity then there's nothing to debate here

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

londons_explore wrote: post #80
tyingq wrote: post #47

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I see that, but for calls going to the US, the US could actually implement STIR/SHAKEN and other measures to quell it...but they drag their feet.

I feel like the US is in a position to simply have some police deliberately fall for these scams, then wire over the $25k as the scammer instructs, then trace that money as far as the indian border, then demand the indian government repay it. The indian government can continue tracing and find the scammer to get their money back (hard), or just shut down the call centers (easier). Yes, I know this isn't the way inter…

They could just sanction the banks that take the money by cutting them off from SWIFT if they can’t track down who’s benefiting from these scams. You don’t even have to involve the Indian government.

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Post by sjnonweb »

luuurker wrote: post #194
sjnonweb wrote: post #186

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Well two things! 1. BBC was sent a notice for tax evasion 2 months before this documentary was released - the fact that they are being raided now could be a reaction to the doc or maybe just a coincidence. No org is above the law, so being raided for tax evasion is business as usual. 2. The documentary doesn't cover the reason as to why the riots happened, it'll take nuance and understanding of the past 800 years his…

1. The problem is not being raided for tax evasion. The problem is them and others being investigated/raided after criticising the government. It's the usual "we'll ignore things if you keep things quiet and make your life hard if you don't". No one is above the law, but the application of the law is very selective... Any journalist or org will get the message. 2. You want a 2 hour documentary that covers who did wha…

Its absurd to claim that nothing was done to stop it from happening, if that was the case then thing would have been much worse. It was brought under control as effectively as it is possible when the riots are happening at communal level.

Have you not seen riots happen in London few years ago, or the black lives matter, or so many others in the past. To use you own argument, why did they not stop it immediately? Because it takes some time and effort to control it when large populations are involved.

And nobody is asking to cover all the history, Nuance can be covered with small hints and by giving little bit of background. Otherwise People who dont know India's history only see what they see in the documentary and go on making up their mind.

Plus BBC is funded by UK government's so its essentially a mouthpiece for them. So Independent journalism is not really expected from them anyways.

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Post by birksherty »

1sembiyan wrote: post #190
adityeah wrote: post #177

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You are forgetting one thing - most Indians knew it and believed it back in 2001 but now there's a whole generation who has been brainwashed to believe that the whole western world's media is against India because they don't want to see India be a power. They genuinely believe in this. These are the people who were probably 5 year olds then and are now in their late 20s or early 30s. Obviously they don't think why th…

Most Indians still know, it has been covered continuously these past two decades. Or maybe I am in the wrong information bubble. BJP’s political opponents won’t allow anyone to forget it.

Most people don't know all the details. They see news that court did not find any evidence and that's all they hear. Everyone wants to stay in a bubble of their liking.

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Post by pas »

jamesredd wrote: post #116
satya71 wrote: post #96

This is the favored tactic of Indian government when trying to intimidate the press (or politicians). [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/it-raids...

When Europe banned Russian press was that press intimidation?

Russian press was intimidated and banned by Putin.

The Russian state propaganda outlets operating abroad stopped being even slightly press-like a long time ago.

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