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#181

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It seems that "these days" every criticism is propaganda. It doesn't matter if the points are valid or not or if they're describing something that it's happening. "Propaganda!" It's very sad to see people everywhere turning off their brains just because their government was criticised.

When you choose to show only one side of the story then it fails to be categorised as criticism, its called propaganda.

What's the other side of the story here? Are they being raided or not? Does the Indian state likes to start investigations after someone criticises them or not? And was the documentary so wrong to the point where it had to be censored?

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#182

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Know your facts before you start name-calling India and start showing your biases. It's the world's largest and most vibrant democracy with a very comprehensive constitution. On the other hand, BBC has a long history of crappy reporting and tax evasion, not just in India but also in their home country.

https://peertube.tv/search?search=The%20Modi%20Question%20&s... Here is the documentary, why not watch it and see what you think about their reporting?

I have read enough BBC articles on topics I know very well about and seen how poor and biased their reporting is. I don't want to fall victim to Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.

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Isn't it impressive how incompetent authoritarian regimes are? I mean, India has a great thing going. Geopolitically, it's exempt from bans on trading with Russia, so it can play both sides and get away with it. It has build up a vast services industry as the "back office of the world", a major driver of economic prosperity. It's likely the main beneficiary of re-shoring manufacturing out of China. In this position,…

Know your facts before you start name-calling India and start showing your biases. It's the world's largest and most vibrant democracy with a very comprehensive constitution. On the other hand, BBC has a long history of crappy reporting and tax evasion, not just in India but also in their home country.

Sounds like I hit a nerve.

What name-calling? I called the regime incompetent. Not India's inhabitants. I have no bias against Indian people, if I do, it's a positive one. 90% of my team is from India.

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Like all those outraged Indian nationalists that pop up in flocks anywhere and every time there is a news outlet that goes against Indian nationalist propaganda and big boss Modi?

Well its bound to happens when the said news outlet forgets to show the other side of the story, selectively missing on the nuance. I'm no fan of Modi, No fan of half truths either.

Please reply to the sibling, I would make the same point. You seem to be overreacting, just not as much as the others.

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#185

Attacking the press is never a good look in my book. Without even having seen the documentary, this convinces me that Modi is guilty of anything it accuses him of.

It doesn't matter what you think. Modi is hugely popular in India and won with a very strong mandate. Countering attempts of brainwashing by the former colonialists only makes Modi more of a hero to the locals. There is a reason Modi is taking up this fight, he could have choosen to ignore the bait. But it actually helps drive support for him in India. And it really shows in the latest approval ratings: https://www.n…

I don't really care what the people of India think, I'm just stating what this makes me think. I think I speak for most of the developed world when I say actions like this make the man look like a despot, and make us think less of India as a whole if they are OK with it.

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#186

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When you choose to show only one side of the story then it fails to be categorised as criticism, its called propaganda.

What's the other side of the story here? Are they being raided or not? Does the Indian state likes to start investigations after someone criticises them or not? And was the documentary so wrong to the point where it had to be censored?

Well two things!

1. BBC was sent a notice for tax evasion 2 months before this documentary was released - the fact that they are being raided now could be a reaction to the doc or maybe just a coincidence. No org is above the law, so being raided for tax evasion is business as usual.

2. The documentary doesn't cover the reason as to why the riots happened, it'll take nuance and understanding of the past 800 years history of islamic invasions to realise that it was not a one off incident.

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The Iranian government was already known to be terrible to its people. The Saudis ordering an assassination _ abroad , using their embassy, in such a violent way on a dissident_ made a lot of people aware of the problem that was the new Saudi regime which had some Western alignment. It’s not that this death was more important, it’s just revealed a big change in Saudi Arabia

Which ignores the vast gap between coverage in the one murder vs the thousands of murders. The bias was on open display, and it's a perceived political alignment issue (Saudi Arabia is quite friendly with US conservatives traditionally and far more hostile to US liberals; ~95%+ of journalists in the US vote left and they're rarely shy with their bias in the Trump era; Saudi was relatively friendly toward Trump and it…

It's a pattern repeated in many places. Single large events, a school shooting, the Khashoggi murder, big chemical spills, always get more coverage than repeated/ongoing or smaller events. IMO it's less a judgement on importance than a result of novelty or shock. Over time as events fall into routine people get bored of them so news naturally moves on. Look at the coverage of the Ukraine war it's dropped off a cliff since the early days of the invasion because we're in both the winter lull and there's not much novel to report about it every day.

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#188

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Hit them where it hurts: Ban all family members of anybody in Indian government from entering the US for any reason. Not for school, nor a job, nor even a short vacation to visit other family members. Limit this ban to Indian politicians and their family members; most Indians should be unaffected.

Step 1 on the (very short) path to making the US dollar permanently lose its influence. Unless India starts invading Pakistan for conquest or population destruction, sanctions even on Indian politicians and their families go way too far (not to mention some of those sanctioned people would likely be top business leaders as well). The US is already testing its limits trying to go against Russia and China simultaneousl…

The same mighty Russia whos economy is 60% the size of UK or France? Despite having a population more than both those countries combined?

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#189
How is every HN thread about India/Modi such a crapshoot ?

Is no one willing to entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, Modi is par-for-the-course among leaders in the sub-continent ?

Modi seems to be called an authoritarian more often than actual authoritarians. It is fair to criticize Modi for divisive politics & hard nationalism, but he is very much a democratic leader. The party has accepted any defeat graciously and within the bounds of what's permissible within the system. If anything, compared to the Gandhi family leaders that came before him, Modi has been remarkably non-authoritarian. (Doesn't mean that he meets the requirement for an ideal ethnical democratic leader, but then who does?)

Multiple things can be true at the same time. Modi's response to the Gujarat riots was incompetent enough that it will remain a black mark on his legacy irrespective of what he achieves afterwards. At the same time, the BBC seems to have timed this documentary curiously close to the Sunak's rise as the new conversative leader, and therefore the new target of the UK's left leaning media houses. Especially because the documentary does not seem to bring any new facts to light.

I personally find the documentary and the west's general approach to Hindus (and right wing politicians everywhere) to be a little hypocritical.

Hindus (and Indic peoples) have been persecuted for a good few decades in every neighboring Muslim country. Indian law privileges minorities more than any other country in the world. Modi's policies plus statistics seem to indicate no particular deviation in terms of treatment of minorities as compared to prior govts. If anything, his poor-first effective socialism policies help the poorest in society first, and Muslims being the most underprivileged, benefit immensely. India is a better country to be a Shia Muslim in than the neighboring Muslim nations, and that speaks volumes about the tolerance and freedom that underlies Indian and Hindu-majority society.

The criticism of Modi is welcome, but it does seem especially slanted. Modi has the distinction of being one of the only major world leaders to be banned [1] from the US, all while people with proven-genocide records continued to welcomed in this country. Modi gets called a right winger despite being more socialist than most anglo-phone leaders. Policies widely supported by the west are considered authoritarian (ex: farm bill) the second any group protests against Modi.

The most annoying thing is that Modi has a lot of problems. His economics involves too many freebies. He has no spine, and will recall great policies the second any small group in India complains. He relies too much on the infamous Indian bureaucracy & he has yet to find spiritual successors to close confidants that have passed away due to unfortunate situations (Swaraj, Jaitley)

The English-media continues polarizing Modi on elite-urban-left vs Hindu-nationalist grounds, and he keeps playing into those tropes. That's because Indians are nationalists [2] irrespective of religion & Hindus still perceive themselves as 2nd class citizens in their own nation. The removal of article 370 was a massively popular move. Making fun of his English, religiousness and lack of elite-manners only feeds into his humble everyman image. You are feeding him easy wins.

If only the Indian opposition was competent enough put forth a competent leader.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_people_banned_...

[2] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/nationalism-...

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#190

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Blow the whistle on what? Nothing in that documentary is new, most Indians know it. It has been reported and widely covered by Indian press before. It is just new to you (or the west).

You are forgetting one thing - most Indians knew it and believed it back in 2001 but now there's a whole generation who has been brainwashed to believe that the whole western world's media is against India because they don't want to see India be a power. They genuinely believe in this. These are the people who were probably 5 year olds then and are now in their late 20s or early 30s. Obviously they don't think why th…

Most Indians still know, it has been covered continuously these past two decades. Or maybe I am in the wrong information bubble. BJP’s political opponents won’t allow anyone to forget it.
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