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Post by sjnonweb »

MPlus88 wrote: post #123
sjnonweb wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to read a little more history then! India's history goes much further than that. Read up on The Maurya Empire

The Maurya Empire? Yeah right. You should thank the British for the Maurya empire. The so-called Maurya Empire was cooked up by a pseudo historian by the name of James Prinsep to instill a sense of one people for political purpose. The British at the time assumed the British empire in South Asia was forever and it was hard to rule a place when the people practically hate each other historically. This Maurya Empire th…

Pseudo Historian so good that he cooked up all the ancient texts, ashoka pillar, coinage, stupa, architectural remains, etc right?

Anyways! Can you cite a non-pseudo source for you claims?

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Post by chimeracoder »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #122
simonh wrote: post #110

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Fair enough, they knew that the minorities would be bullied by Hindus.

Sorry but that's still an extremely simplistic take, if not to say ignorant. The poor bullied minorities ™ went on to genocide Bangladeshis in East Pakistan for wanting independence and raped hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi women, only a few years after Pakistan itself had seceded. I know many Westerners love a good minority story but Islamists aren't that.

> The poor bullied minorities™ went on to genocide Bangladeshis in East Pakistan for wanting independence and raped hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi women, only a few years after Pakistan itself had seceded.

A correction: they committed genocide against Bengalis in East Pakistan. Bangladesh did not exist yet, so "Bangladeshi" is an anachronism here.

Also, an extremely disproportionate number of Bengalis targeted in the killings were actually Hindu[0]. The place that is now Bangladesh used to have a much larger Hindu Bengali population than it does today, but many were killed during the genocide, and many of the survivors fled to India or other countries (either then or in the following years).

[0] Contemporary accounts place Hindus as the outright majority of victims, despite Hindus being a minority among Bengalis within East Pakistan. There's plenty of evidence that Hindus were specifically targeted by the military, although it would not be correct to say that it was a genocide [solely] against Bengali Hindus, because Bengalis at large were targeted, and the primary motivation was a suppression of Bengali national identity.

Re: Tax raids at BBC offices in India enter second day

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Post by 1sembiyan »

WeylandYutani wrote: post #107
satya71 wrote: post #96

This is the favored tactic of Indian government when trying to intimidate the press (or politicians). [1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/it-raids...

It is interesting that it took Western media to blow the whistle. You could write books about everything that is wrong with my country (many people do) but independent journalism is sacrosanct.

Blow the whistle on what? Nothing in that documentary is new, most Indians know it. It has been reported and widely covered by Indian press before. It is just new to you (or the west).

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Post by snapcaster »

imbiased wrote: post #124
jamesredd wrote: post #116

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When Europe banned Russian press was that press intimidation?

Russian press that was banned was because they were conducting disinformation, “an operational tool in its assault on Ukraine” https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022...

It is repression of journalism/press and saying "but they're bad/wrong" is just a label applied by the powerful to their enemies

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Post by lesuorac »

LarryMullins wrote: post #88
londons_explore wrote: post #80

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I feel like the US is in a position to simply have some police deliberately fall for these scams, then wire over the $25k as the scammer instructs, then trace that money as far as the indian border, then demand the indian government repay it. The indian government can continue tracing and find the scammer to get their money back (hard), or just shut down the call centers (easier). Yes, I know this isn't the way inter…

Hit them where it hurts: Ban all family members of anybody in Indian government from entering the US for any reason. Not for school, nor a job, nor even a short vacation to visit other family members. Limit this ban to Indian politicians and their family members; most Indians should be unaffected.

Not a big fan of this slope you're sliding down.

It's one thing to ban a politician if you can show they're profiteering from a scam call center but it's another to ban them just because there are scam call centers. Literally all I think you should have to do is show they're supporting them before you can do some sort of adverse action. But you do need to have proof first ...

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Post by adventured »

imbiased wrote: post #129
adventured wrote: post #114

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It's identical to the Western response to the Iranian government murdering many thousands of their people (who were protesting) prior to the pandemic. Versus the response to the Khashoggi murder by the Saudis. Both reprehensible regimes, the media treated one death as being particularly special. Going by the massive coverage of Khashoggi, you'd get the impression thousands of murders is less important than one, and y…

The Iranian government was already known to be terrible to its people. The Saudis ordering an assassination _ abroad , using their embassy, in such a violent way on a dissident_ made a lot of people aware of the problem that was the new Saudi regime which had some Western alignment. It’s not that this death was more important, it’s just revealed a big change in Saudi Arabia

Which ignores the vast gap between coverage in the one murder vs the thousands of murders. The bias was on open display, and it's a perceived political alignment issue (Saudi Arabia is quite friendly with US conservatives traditionally and far more hostile to US liberals; ~95%+ of journalists in the US vote left and they're rarely shy with their bias in the Trump era; Saudi was relatively friendly toward Trump and it's openly hostile toward Biden; all of this is quite obvious).

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Post by snapcaster »

vkou wrote: post #49
causi wrote: post #16

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Is that significant, though? These nations aren't trying to keep things secret. They just have to keep them out of the day to day thoughts of 95% of their population. Even trivial measures like a DNS-redirect will be effective in that regard.

If you give me the ability to cripple the internet for 50% of the population, I will easily be able to rig an election for you. Hell, in the US, 10% should probably be sufficient.

Interesting thought. So going further, what specifically would you do?

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Post by chimeracoder »

oa335 wrote: post #125
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but that's still an extremely simplistic take, if not to say ignorant. The poor bullied minorities ™ went on to genocide Bangladeshis in East Pakistan for wanting independence and raped hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshi women, only a few years after Pakistan itself had seceded. I know many Westerners love a good minority story but Islamists aren't that.

Lol now you are doing the same type of generalization but for the other side, sarcastically labeling Muslims in Pakistan as “poor bullies minorities” and “Islamists”. The point isn’t that one side is inherently better the other, the point is that people feared minorities wouldn’t fare well in a United India due to longstanding communal issues. Bangladesh war for independence is just supporting that point, as is RSS/H…

> The point isn’t that one side is inherently better the other, the point is that people feared minorities wouldn’t fare well in a United India due to longstanding communal issues. Bangladesh war for independence is just supporting that point, as is RSS/Hindutva, etc.

This is nonsensical. The Liberation War is absolutely not an example of how "minorities won't fare well". For starters, the group targeted by the genocide was not an ethnic minority: they constituted the majority of the population of Pakistan!

If anything, the Liberation War is a story of people coming together across ethnic and religious divides in order to stop a genocide - literally the antithesis of "communal divides".

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Post by busterarm »

fleddr wrote: post #127

Isn't it impressive how incompetent authoritarian regimes are? I mean, India has a great thing going. Geopolitically, it's exempt from bans on trading with Russia, so it can play both sides and get away with it. It has build up a vast services industry as the "back office of the world", a major driver of economic prosperity. It's likely the main beneficiary of re-shoring manufacturing out of China. In this position,…

Let's be real, the beneficiaries of re-shoring manufacturing were always going to be the countries that used to do it before China became the cheaper option.

Namely: Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Japan.

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