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Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

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Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

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post #44

Why is ransomware still a problem? Is it that difficult to make off-site backups every hour? Storage is cheap. There are many air gapping options for backups, too. It sounds like a case of normalized deviance, for which the management should be held accountable. As much as I don’t like victim blaming, I think it’s beyond incompetent to still not backup your data in 2023 as a government org.

They're not a government organization. Haven't been for almost 10 years

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#52
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has a similar agreement with China. "The new 1969 agreement included terminal dues, the receiving postal agencies would charge the country of origin for delivering the post on by-weight basis. To be blunt, shipping from China to USA (and most of the rest of the world) is much cheaper than shipping domestically in USA because the terminal-dues are much too low and account only for the total weight of the post,…

Why does international post TO China still cost so much then?

It's because when you ship internationally, you only pay for the domestic leg (e.g. in America) and not the terminal leg (e.g. in China). Your shipping costs to China cost so much because you have to pay the American rate, while people in China shipping to America have to pay the Chinese rate.

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#54

I bought some candy from Amazon that was shipped by Royal Mail, and it never arrived. Amazon told me to take up the refund with Royal Mail, with no instructions how to do so. Anyone know how I can get a refund from Amazon/Royal Mail for the candy they never sent?

Email jeff@amazon.com pleading your case.

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#55
post #11

How is it even legal to pay ransoms? Surely this is transferring money to criminal enterprises. If it is not illegal it needs to be made illegal.

As I understand it, it is indeed illegal in most countries. What happens in practice is the victim hires a 'data recovery specialist' company, provides them the encrypted files, and ask them to decrypt them with their magic algorithms. The data recovery specialist coincidentally is paid a little bit more than the ransom. The specialist then contacts the hackers, pays the ransom, decrypts the files, and provides them…

Any sources on that?

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it not be legal? If I was a hacker, the existence of a law prohibiting businesses from paying cyber ransoms would not deter me. If a company wanted to follow the law and refused to pay the ransom the hackers asked of them, the hackers could follow through and delete or irreparably corrupt their files. The potential upside, that they pay the ransom, is significant, while the downside, that they don't, doesn'…

If paying ransoms become illegal in many countries, it would be very hard to find targets willing to break the law and pay ransom, making it less attractive of an attack.

Surely it would still depend on the normal economic calculations of the involved parties, like the penalty for paying a random, the likelihood of getting caught paying a ransom, and all the existing calculations like the value of the data to the victim, the penalty and risk of getting caught for the ransomers themselves, etc. You don't just get to say "making it illegal will destroy the incentive to do it," and if it doesn't work you can't just keep increasing the legal penalties until it starts working.

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#58

If Russia were to physically disrupt a country's social services by force, it would be an act of war. Here they have disrupted a British social service without force by state sponsored hacker terrorists, rendering harm in the physical world. The line gets blurrier.

> If Russia were to physically disrupt a country's social services by force, it would be an act of war If the Russian STATE did this yes. But we don't generally consider the act of citizens/organizations/criminal enterprises within a state as a state action unless it's clearly state sponsored. You definitely could make that argument, but it's not a given. For example, we don't consider the 3000 British people fightin…

I have no doubt that the Russian government has been taking its cut from criminals deploying ransomware in their country, and only going after criminals who don't provide their share. Even more so with Russia trying to fund an ongoing war where they are losing a lot of equipment and men.

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#59

It's fucking ridiculous to hit the postal service, providing a practically-free function to a lot of people who really need it, and operating at barely even (in US and Canada too, so I imagine other countries are similar). The ransomers sound like kids, "speculating that the directors personally held 100m of crypto"? What a disgusting amateur job.

You seem to think criminals would stop to evaluate the public good of a large UK company with yearly revenues of 12B GBP before blackmailing them for 80M USD. And you claim they are the amateurs?

(Of course these criminals are disgusting.)

Re: Royal Mail dismisses ‘absurd’ $80M ransom demand

#60
post #11

How is it even legal to pay ransoms? Surely this is transferring money to criminal enterprises. If it is not illegal it needs to be made illegal.

It's also orders of magnitude cheaper to just restore from backup.

I can't imagine their S3 bill is above 80 millions...

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