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Asjusted to inflation, 100k today are worth about as much as 60k two years ago.
Assuming Wolfram Alpha's CPI data is correct, I think you'd have to go back to 2002 for $100k now to be worth $60k then: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%2460%2C000+from+2002
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Some years ago, McKinsey conducted a study which found that a majority of public school teachers in the US come from the bottom of the distribution of academic performance in college: https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/industries/public%... ...which is consistent with your experience. While there are public school teachers that come from the top of the academic distribution, they constitute a minority of all p…
McKinsey studies are rather suspect. Who paid them to do that research, and what was their agenda?
It's on the second page, right after the cover page. The work was part of McKinsey's non-profit pro-bono work. Quoting: "The preparation of this report was co-funded by McKinsey and Proof Points, a non-profit organization designed to support state-level education reform. This work is part of the fulfillment of McKinsey’s social sector mission to help leaders and leading institutions to understand and address important and complex societal challenges."
This is loosely related, but every time I think of public school teacher salaries my mind goes to the public school teachers I know. As a group they are… exceptionally ungifted. As just one example, I lived with two middle school teachers in Texas for a few years. They probably couldn’t pass the grade they were teaching. I have never met two professionals with so many credentials (MS in Education) and so little sense…
Some years ago, McKinsey conducted a study which found that a majority of public school teachers in the US come from the bottom of the distribution of academic performance in college: https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/industries/public%... ...which is consistent with your experience. While there are public school teachers that come from the top of the academic distribution, they constitute a minority of all p…
I have heard people on HN complain about sub $100k salaries being poverty wages, but apparently they think teachers should work for peanuts and be happy about it.
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I don't have any degrees, and pursuing a four year so I can take a pay cut is a non starter for me. I'd consider doing a two year technical degree, maybe.
Have you heard of WGU? You can knock out bachelors degrees much faster if you already know the material. After about a decade of software engineering, I was able to knock out a CS degree in about six months. Feel free to email me for more info. https://www.wgu.edu/
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Those teachers aren't burning the money. It goes back to the community around them as they spend it, generally.
We gave out a bunch of free money during the pandemic. What was the result of that?
To ask another question: (presuming our hands were to be tied to give out that free money) Had we instead given that money directly to teachers and other low income individuals, essentially doubling or tripling the proportion we actually gave them, would we have seen the same level of fraud or waste? I can't imagine so. Would the economy have been better off? I feel like probably, but I'm no economist. It's a supply side argument and I have a hard time believing those based on the results of 'corporate socialism' experiments.
The minimum starting salary for a teacher in Chicago is $60,000 (cost of living adjusted), the highest in the country. It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. Source: https://wirepoints.org/chicago-teachers-are-paid-some-of-the...
> It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. sure but it probably has solved many financial problems for Chicago teachers, which is a good enough reason to implement a tool like this.
A teacher is supposed to teach. We want to pay them more because they keep saying that if we do they'll teach better.
We don't owe them money simply because they exist.
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I'd strongly disagree with your assertion that teaching is not a difficult job. I won't address the exertion that goes into individual parts of it, but all of the teachers I know regularly work nights and weekends in addition to handling the emotional stress of teaching, which itself is a huge burden, especially for those working in less affluent schools. In any case, the measure for teachers should not be "how hard…
> all of the teachers I know regularly work nights and weekends There's a difference between difficulty and exertion. > how important is the outcome It's pretty damn important that the garbage man comes and collects the trash every week, but we don't pay him the marginal value of trash collection to the county. > another assertion I have issues with - there are rampant teacher shortages nationwide I actually agree th…
If the state is still paying, they're still going to be stingy.
A private school has roughly the same administrative staff as a public school. Their buildings may be a little bit less expensive, as they probably can get away with less ADA accessibility. They probably don't pay into pensions and may not provide as nice of health care, so they may be able to move more of total comp into salaries, but they may also compensate their board members more. Word on the street is private school teachers get paid less and have less due process, but also have less stringent degree requirements and fewer mandates in their classroom. But they also get a lot more parental engagement, and a rather different cohort of students.
This is loosely related, but every time I think of public school teacher salaries my mind goes to the public school teachers I know. As a group they are… exceptionally ungifted. As just one example, I lived with two middle school teachers in Texas for a few years. They probably couldn’t pass the grade they were teaching. I have never met two professionals with so many credentials (MS in Education) and so little sense…
I grew up in Appalachia and had a similar experience. More babysitting than education. I don't think pay will solely fix it, but I have to assume there's some selection bias from it . We only get the staff who are willing to put up with the boards, students, and pay as a whole set. Those in Appalachia will be living better, but I have a hard time imagining they're [financially] struggling. The wages are generally dep…
This summarizes the entire problem with much of our education system.
We have not learned as a society how to separate out the many functions we ask the public schools to do, and they manage to poorly all of them.
In theory they exist to educate children, but implicitly they also exist to make the labor force larger by providing free or low-cost child care to families. They're also our front-line child welfare and anti-poverty policy tool, and deeply entangled in our justice system.
A school system that was allowed to filter students out with strict standards purely for disruptiveness would find that they can get much better outcomes than one that must accept all students. (and in the school with the disruptive students the focus can be on finding the root cause and helping rather than on teaching advanced skills)
This is loosely related, but every time I think of public school teacher salaries my mind goes to the public school teachers I know. As a group they are… exceptionally ungifted. As just one example, I lived with two middle school teachers in Texas for a few years. They probably couldn’t pass the grade they were teaching. I have never met two professionals with so many credentials (MS in Education) and so little sense…
> This is loosely related, but every time I think of public school teacher salaries my mind goes to the public school teachers I know. The public school teachers you know are the teachers willing to work for non-livable wages. I wonder what would happen if the subset of people willing to take the job increased (because the pay increases). That's kind of the point of the bill. The current pool of teachers is: 1) Old p…
Many of these are subsidized by their spouse.
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This is the polical equivalent of "the allies committed warcrimes in ww2 too". One "side" is a whole lot worse than the other hahaha
I agree, and also very much doubt we are talking about the same side. Funny how that works.