Sanders calls for a lot and never delivers. I wouldn’t hold your breath teachers.
He's one senator. There's not that much you can do as a single senator.
The people of Vermont love him though.
Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
151–160 of 410 posts
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#152I’m in favor of pushing all kids to excel and rewarding excellence and achievement regardless of race or social status.
If that is included in a minimum salary of $60,000, I would support it. If it isn’t, I would not, and would support private schooling instead.
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you realize how dystopian that is?
Yes, I too work 12 months of the year.
Yes, but you do the work of your main profession that you are an expert in, and are compensated appropriately. You don't do a side job bagging groceries or lifeguarding in the summers to be able to maintain living in a home you own.
Legitimate question, do you not see the difference?
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#154not sure this really fix any problem. $60k good salary in arkansas maybe. if you in expensive city..not go very far. have kids in public america school system. government spending money in my opinion uncompetitive and wasteful. but public education must all support. it still good in america. national minimum salary ok but need states or cities to tune to living cost. $60k only work maybe in central us.. cheaper state…
I mean it's a national minimum. School systems would be allowed to continue to pay more.
It'd help here in Colorado which is both a relatively HCOL area and a place that pays our teachers peanuts. I know teachers here that get less that $60k/yr as it is.
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#155The minimum starting salary for a teacher in Chicago is $60,000 (cost of living adjusted), the highest in the country. It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. Source: https://wirepoints.org/chicago-teachers-are-paid-some-of-the...
> It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. sure but it probably has solved many financial problems for Chicago teachers, which is a good enough reason to implement a tool like this.
Companies (and governments) never raise wages to solve problems for employees. They raise wages to solve problems for themselves.
Maybe that’s the stated reason, and maybe it’s used to drum up political support, but it’s never the real reason.
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#156The minimum starting salary for a teacher in Chicago is $60,000 (cost of living adjusted), the highest in the country. It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. Source: https://wirepoints.org/chicago-teachers-are-paid-some-of-the...
Is the ratio of teachers to student relevant as well? And perhaps other factors?
Yes. There are many factors far more relevant to outcomes than teachers' salaries
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. sure but it probably has solved many financial problems for Chicago teachers, which is a good enough reason to implement a tool like this.
At the cost of more financial problems for taxpayers? How do you balance those two?
Those teachers aren't burning the money. It goes back to the community around them as they spend it, generally.
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#158The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money is if some metrics apparatus was created by the United States and income outcomes were traced back to individual schools and teachers in said schools got some portion of that as part of their salary. Of course, the USA would have to bootstrap the first "cohort" of this. Otherwise, the point is simple - good teachers don't get paid more, because there's n…
I'm not sure if anyone has tried doing this as a going concern, but economists have done a pretty convincing (IMO) analysis of teachers value-add ex post. The most well known is the 2014 Raj Chetty paper. Seems to support your view.
Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Supply and demand, like always. The market cares not one bit about what someone “should” be paid, it cares about the price where no one is left willing to do the same job for less. If you want teachers to be paid more, increase the requirements to be a teacher. I’m a proponent of requiring at least n years experience in real world work, plus education in a hard science or trade.
> Supply and demand, like always. Not everything follows the rules of capitalism, especially when public school teachers are paid by the government. There are giant teacher shortages across many locales in the US, so according to you we should see skyrocketing teacher pay, but that hasn't happened (pay has gone up in some locales but nowhere near the amount needed to fix teacher shortages).
The government doesn't have traditional shareholders like a corporation. Obviously they have their citizens as shareholders of a sort, but at the moment it feels like the loudest groups are prioritizing budget over outcomes.