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Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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The minimum starting salary for a teacher in Chicago is $60,000 (cost of living adjusted), the highest in the country. It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. Source: https://wirepoints.org/chicago-teachers-are-paid-some-of-the...

Perhaps because $60k is not actually that much for what we ask of our public school teachers.

HN: $100k/yr to write webshit is a poverty wage!

Also HN: $60k/yr is too much for the people we expect to educate our children!

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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I'm in NJ where we value public education, for the most part. According to National Center for Education Statistics our average teacher pay was $77,489 in 2022. This is excluding benefits/pension. Well worth it.

How come 78% of low income fourth graders in NJ can't read?[0] [0] https://acnj.org/newsroom/news-releases/nj-4th-graders-score...

Doesn't that source point out they're still doing better than most other states?

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

#105
post #10

Instead, allow for a voucher system where parents can apply the equivalent amount of money the public school spends and apply it towards private schools. Make it easy for teachers to start their own school or coop to compete for vouchers. Definitely a pipe dream but it might work.

You do understand how this would and has played out, right?

Basically the government would be subsidizing private schools for the rich, and since rich people are getting their needs met the funding will evaporate for schools in poorer neighbourhoods. Society will be move divided and your ability to succeed will depend on the class you’re born into above all else.

How can developers understand the value and need for dogfooding your own products, and yet advocate for a two tier public-private healthcare or education system?

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Unless federal gov will fund this, it doesn't make sense to set it like that, it is more feel-good measure. Teachers and staff need to be paid well for sure but also a lot of funding need to be spent on schools and infrastructure and equipment for example.

Federal Government could help with standardize maybe software and equipment for kids... that is if they were not corrupted like they are.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

#107

I'm in NJ where we value public education, for the most part. According to National Center for Education Statistics our average teacher pay was $77,489 in 2022. This is excluding benefits/pension. Well worth it.

How come 78% of low income fourth graders in NJ can't read?[0] [0] https://acnj.org/newsroom/news-releases/nj-4th-graders-score...

Title of that article: "NJ 4th Graders Score Low on Literacy, Still Ahead of Nation"

Throwing more money at the problem often makes some progress, but it's not always a definitive solution. Tough problems usually involve reorganizing processes, which tends to be harder than spending more money or recruiting more talented people.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

#108
post #70

The minimum starting salary for a teacher in Chicago is $60,000 (cost of living adjusted), the highest in the country. It hasn't solved Chicago Public Schools' problems. Source: https://wirepoints.org/chicago-teachers-are-paid-some-of-the...

It's possible there is more than one problem. And starving teachers is unlikely to improve any of them.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

#109
I really wonder why those headlines still make the news.

It's been centuries, and probably millenias, that politics have asked for things that they did not grant once they were in a position to do so.

I demand a minimum salary of $1,000,000 for everyone, and immortality for all! Vote for me and make a news article I guess?

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

#110

The only way teachers would ever be able to make a lot of money is if some metrics apparatus was created by the United States and income outcomes were traced back to individual schools and teachers in said schools got some portion of that as part of their salary. Of course, the USA would have to bootstrap the first "cohort" of this. Otherwise, the point is simple - good teachers don't get paid more, because there's n…

I'm not sure how you reward outcomes of teaching without also actively discouraging teachers from taking positions at any school that could be seen as "struggling" from an academic perspective.
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