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Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I'm considering one of the Linux phones, don't use many apps anyway. I know that's a hard sell for most but it's becoming a real option even for normal users.

I would recommend a Pixel with GrapheneOS or calyx. You get the usability of Android with (optional)sandboxes google services/microg. Almost all apps work and its really usable.

I can run Android apps with Waydroid on my Librem 5, and I also get the benefits of a full desktop OS on my phone.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Bottom line --- Google is privacy invasion by default. I use e/OS with Brave browser --- privacy by default. Both based on Google source but cleansed and stripped of tracking. Personalized ads are mainly an annoyance and a really dumb idea in my opinion. Context sensitive ads are much easier to implement, more privacy respecting and the only ones that are moderately useful and acceptable.

I have Brave as a secondary browser.

I run Lineage, where I have not loaded any version of Gapps.

My goto browser is Bromite (https://www.bromite.org), which I have configured default incognito and otherwise high security.

I have loaded Magisk, then the modules for MicroG:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MicroG/comments/shmpng/confirmed_sa...

Wouldn't it be great if all Android users could wake up to this tomorrow? It would be an interesting day.

I should try e/OS sometime. The guy who maintained Mandrake Linux is in charge.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I don't really get the point of the article. You can opt out of the privacy sandbox and block interests you don't want apps to see. The biggest change seems to be that chrome cand feed data into this system through an Android API, but doesn't this already happen through telemetry, analytics scripts and fingerprinting? You can also just not use chrome.

The point of the article is that Google is pitching Privacy Sandbox as the Android counterpart to Apple's App Tracking Transparency, when, in reality, it's anything but. App Tracking Transparency disables tracking unless the user opts in. Privacy Sandbox only disables tracking if the developer opts in. You can see this by reviewing the developer documentation [1] for Privacy Sandbox. It's totally optional on the part of the developer. Pitching Privacy Sandbox as an alternative to ATT deceptive marketing.

[1]: https://developer.android.com/design-for-safety/privacy-sand...

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I don't really get the point of the article. You can opt out of the privacy sandbox and block interests you don't want apps to see. The biggest change seems to be that chrome cand feed data into this system through an Android API, but doesn't this already happen through telemetry, analytics scripts and fingerprinting? You can also just not use chrome.

The point of the article to deciphers google's false marketing that this is a privacy improvement when it clearly isn't.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I just tried GrapheneOS yesterday. Installation on my new phone was a breeze, but once I was in, there was... Nothing. The "Apps" app, which I assumed was an alternative to the Google Play store, had literally nothing except a link to install Google Play services. So I installed that and the Play store, which, due to GrapheneOS's sandboxing, was probably better than the stock Android. But it didn't even work well. Pl…

One tip, use Aurora store instead of Google play, after that everything will work fine. GrapheneOS developers aren't really the most considerate of beginners.

This is a good tip. Another thing is to make sure to have the Google Play Services proxy installed if you plan on using most Play apps.

You can even keep separate profiles for apps that do and don't need play services.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I would recommend a Pixel with GrapheneOS or calyx. You get the usability of Android with (optional)sandboxes google services/microg. Almost all apps work and its really usable.

I can run Android apps with Waydroid on my Librem 5, and I also get the benefits of a full desktop OS on my phone.

>on my Librem 5

Sounds interesting. Goes and looks it up.

>>From: $1,999.00

You must be joking...

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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So, is this the return of FLoC[0]? They didn't get buy-in from other browsers, so they are doing it at OS level. Nice /s 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_Learning_of_Cohort...

Its even worse, its not replacing current tracking! > On Android, the Privacy Sandbox tracking is in addition to all the usual individual tracking methods; it's not being pitched as an alternative to anything. The Privacy Sandbox on Android is toothless, and Google has no plans to reduce tracking on Android.

A lot of the discussion in this thread has been about how Privacy Sandbox has been deceptively marketed to users, and I agree that Google's marketing has been deceptive. However, what I really want to know is, what's in it for app developers? Privacy Sandbox is opt-in, but what advantages do app developers gain by opting in? Will they be ranked more highly in Play Store search results? Why should an app developer totally rewrite their analytics code to use Privacy Sandbox when existing methods of tracking already work, and will continue to do so?

Who does Privacy Sandbox benefit? It doesn't benefit users, because it's not mandatory for apps to respect it. It doesn't benefit developers, because it's non-zero work to migrate, and zero benefit (because existing tracking and analytics systems will continue to work). It's doesn't benefit Google, as a whole, because it's one more API that they have to continue to support.

What was the point of all this?

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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I have a bunch of issues with the "Privacy Sandbox", but my #1 issue is that it's called "Privacy Sandbox". That term implies that a sandbox is being used to preserve your privacy, when it is, in fact, a system designed for the opposite of that.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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post #62

Bottom line --- Google is privacy invasion by default. I use e/OS with Brave browser --- privacy by default. Both based on Google source but cleansed and stripped of tracking. Personalized ads are mainly an annoyance and a really dumb idea in my opinion. Context sensitive ads are much easier to implement, more privacy respecting and the only ones that are moderately useful and acceptable.

I have Brave as a secondary browser. I run Lineage, where I have not loaded any version of Gapps. My goto browser is Bromite ( https://www.bromite.org ), which I have configured default incognito and otherwise high security. I have loaded Magisk, then the modules for MicroG: https://www.reddit.com/r/MicroG/comments/shmpng/confirmed_sa... Wouldn't it be great if all Android users could wake up to this tomorrow? It wou…

I run Lineage

Even without GApps, Lineage still includes links to Google. e/OS had a list of some of these at one time. They remove these links and include MicroG in the default install.

Others may disagree but in my opinion, it is a pretty good compromise between security, privacy and usability.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Its even worse, its not replacing current tracking! > On Android, the Privacy Sandbox tracking is in addition to all the usual individual tracking methods; it's not being pitched as an alternative to anything. The Privacy Sandbox on Android is toothless, and Google has no plans to reduce tracking on Android.

A lot of the discussion in this thread has been about how Privacy Sandbox has been deceptively marketed to users, and I agree that Google's marketing has been deceptive. However, what I really want to know is, what's in it for app developers? Privacy Sandbox is opt-in, but what advantages do app developers gain by opting in? Will they be ranked more highly in Play Store search results? Why should an app developer tot…

The point is to try to get people to consent to giving up privacy. That benefits everyone who is trying to make money by gathering data about users -- which happens to be Google's primary business approach.
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