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Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Instead, allow for a voucher system where parents can apply the equivalent amount of money the public school spends and apply it towards private schools. Make it easy for teachers to start their own school or coop to compete for vouchers. Definitely a pipe dream but it might work.

It might work in doing what exactly?

One thing that it’s really good at is diverting money from public schools to religious private schools. It’s also good at segregating the student population.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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teachers still have to exist in society all year round though

Then they get a summer job. I remember an elementary school teacher from when I was a kid who was a park ranger in the summer.

Many teachers have CE requirements they must fulfill over the summer, and summer breaks in some places are as short as 6 weeks.

Some teachers may do the minimum and find the role and their summers relaxing. Yet for the best outcomes and challenging districts it's far from a 'cushy' job.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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My first “real” job after college (2013) I started at $60k. It was more than my mom, an elementary school teacher, ever made. It felt embarrassing. Teachers are at least as valuable as software developers (probably more), given their impact on society. Why do they make so little?

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Teachers don’t work year round. So that 60k salary if adjusted to days worked + pension benefits is equivalent to six figures in the private sector.

Teachers do more work outside of their standard hours than most other professions. I dated a teacher for a long time and she worked much harder for her public school salary (waking up at 6am, prepping, lesson planning, grading, chasing up kids who aren't making it to school, dealing with social workers, etc.), than I do for my cushy six-figure tech job salary. Besides, why shouldn't teachers make six-figures? Why are…

Teachers should make six figures, the best ones should make seven like couches do now.

And it should be very easy to fire bad ones. Basically should be at will employment with school district.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Teachers don’t work year round. So that 60k salary if adjusted to days worked + pension benefits is equivalent to six figures in the private sector.

teachers still have to exist in society all year round though

They shouldn't have their salary entirely prorated, but having a two month vacation during summer, one week spring break, and two week winter break is a huge benefit that should be considered when analyzing their compensation. Especially since they can make extra by teaching summer school, camps, taking other summer jobs.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Instead, allow for a voucher system where parents can apply the equivalent amount of money the public school spends and apply it towards private schools. Make it easy for teachers to start their own school or coop to compete for vouchers. Definitely a pipe dream but it might work.

From an economic scale perspective, I don't think you can just parcel out an individual student's "cost" like this.

Put another way: the tax is lower than the net individual cost. I suspect that most school voucher advocates understand this, and see it as a convenient way to additionally weaken public schooling.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Not American, so a couple of questions: 1. Is it normal for teachers to have alternative income for the days they don't work? 2. Sounds like the term "six figures" has a special meaning other than just being in the range 100.000 - 999.999? It appears like there is a connotation that it is a special things to achieve in your life. 3. Taking inflation into account, shouldn't it soon be normal to earn that amount (when…

> 2. Sounds like the term "six figures" has a special meaning? Six figures simply refers to a salary with six digits (i.e. in excess of $100,000). This is nearly double the median income so "six figures" is often just used to mean "a lot of money."

Yes, just clarified the question.

"Six figures" appears to be an idiom in American English that should be abandoned.

Re: Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public school teachers

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Then they get a summer job. I remember an elementary school teacher from when I was a kid who was a park ranger in the summer.

Do you realize how dystopian that is?

Yes, I too work 12 months of the year.
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