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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by anotherman554 »

scarecrowbob wrote: post #280
anotherman554 wrote: post #165

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"I've been seeing content on Tiktok where even 100 miles away they're seeing small dead fish which is apparently according to the folks making the videos a massive red flag." I wouldn't bother watching a Tiktok video unless the video maker is an environmental professional. Otherwise this is just the blind leading the blind. Here's a legal definition of environmental professional used by developers when they do a envi…

What are your qualifications for making that statement?

Anyone with a high school degree should have been introduced to the concept of authoritative sources.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by [deleted] »

vkou wrote: post #246
mauvehaus wrote: post #209

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We also usually don't have environmental professionals also working as press officers. If the press person even consulted with an environmental professional, the content has been filtered by both their lack of domain knowledge and their desire to put a good spin on things.

I will say the same thing about an environmental professional on the company payroll. The problem I'm concerned about isn't ignorance, it is cynical CYA-ism and a giant conflict of interest. You need a culturally-trusted institution to handle this sort of thing. I am not sure Ohio currently has one that can handle this, so I expect to not know anything until the lawsuits settle over the next decade.

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by notch898a »

vGPU wrote: post #549
notch898a wrote: post #382

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>Would we also give that worker legal protection? Yes I believe that's exactly what is to happen. See this explicitly spelled out https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/mou/2012-07-16 . I've worked in goods transport in interstate navigable waterways and we had the same thing, literally anyone can "stop work" for unaddressed imminent dangerous conditions and are protected against retaliation. Even if the protection fails it…

But who’s got the time and money to deal with it? I’ve tried to file an osh complaint before. They told me they hadn’t even gotten to the ones from this decade yet.

The OSHA stop-work criteria (noted in my below post) explicit state you needn't wait for a complaint to stop-work for imminent dangers too soon for inspection.

Note: this is not individualized advice and I am not a lawyer.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by RajT88 »

12345hn6789 wrote: post #315
RajT88 wrote: post #262

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> It seems to constantly follow the pattern of people saying "It's not that bad" and then only years later do we actually see the horrific health and environmental effects of these sorts of things play out when it's too late for the folks that have been impacted. I recently learned that smaller versions of this even happen in the Lasalle/Peru area in Illinois with some regularity. It makes the local news, and maybe s…

The cancer rates in that area are wack. I know a teacher at a local school and the amount of children who are lost to cancer is outrageous. Every year at least. The town is 10,000 people. Also, something similar happened just recently. the carus chemical plant explosion is but a tiny blip compared to the Ohio disaster. https://abc7chicago.com/carus-chemical-explosion-potassium-p... But it is terrible nonetheless.

> Also, something similar happened just recently.

Yeah, exactly why this was on my mind. I had an interaction with some folks who mentioned the explosion and the fear in the community, and the response from the company and local authorities being not very satisfying.

Me: "The one a year ago?" Them: "No, it happened again a few weeks ago. It happens couple years, seems like. Welcome to LaSalle!"

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by JetSpiegel »

winrid wrote: post #556
panick21_ wrote: post #292

I'm not one that usually advocates for nationalization, but with these rail companies, this should be done. For multiple reason: - These companies make absurdly huge profit that could be reinvested into the network to improve the network for everybody (electrification, passenger transport). And these are not some complex tech companies that the government couldn't operate. - These companies are blocking passenger tra…

But how do you nationalize an entire industry?

If only the president's party controlled both houses of Congress, they could have passed a bill and he would have signed it. An hypothetical situation, when this was being discussed about 3 months ago...

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by winrid »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #575
winrid wrote: post #556

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But how do you nationalize an entire industry?

If only the president's party controlled both houses of Congress, they could have passed a bill and he would have signed it. An hypothetical situation, when this was being discussed about 3 months ago...

No, I mean, how do you do it? Do you walk into the offices with the army and force them out? Take all their assets? You realize you'd probably have people funded by the railroads storming the capital? It'd be like a revolution.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

r85804306610 wrote: post #79
themitigating wrote: post #70

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How do you know Biden forcing them back to work has anything to do with the crash?

i'm responding to op's callous and partisan take. also the comment originally read "What does it have to do with the crash", which was immediately edited to "How do you know Biden forcing them back to work has anything to do with the crash?" i will respond to the last one i saw: i don't. i'm pointing out that the wikipedia article about the 2022 union strike makes an argument that the strike was explicitly about safe…

Because trump recinded safety protocols implement by obama. You're also not taking into account Ohio voted for trump. They hate big government and regulations so maybe they need a lesson

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

MarkMarine wrote: post #560
themitigating wrote: post #557

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"This seems to be an area of bipartisan consensus, putting the interests of big business above those of the people." So Obama added the regulations, Trump removed them and that's your conclusion?

Yes it is, if Obama’s regime had the strength of their convictions to enact the rules they wanted, that train would have been classified hazardous. I found out that classification would have meant it would have the better brakes as well as being shorter and speed limited more. I think an objective look shows multiple failures by 3 different governments to reign in the greed of railroad execs and protect the people in…

Again. Obama tried and couldn't whereas the republicans don't even care. False equivalence which is a typical strategy of republican traitors like you

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Post by [deleted] »

passwordoops wrote: post #564
themitigating wrote: post #366

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False equivalence Clinton was president in the 90s, prove he removed more regulations than Republicans, finally Republicans are the only ones who compalin about regulations

Clinton lifted Glass-Steagal, a deregulation move that can be directly linked to creating the conditions that led to the 2008 crash, the consolidation craze that's ruining every industry (including rail), the erosion of worker rights and the growing wealth gap that is really at the root of populism including Trump

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by themitigating »

passwordoops wrote: post #563
themitigating wrote: post #483

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This regulation was put into place during the Obama administration ( I don't know if it was implemented) then the Trump administration removed it.

>then the Trump administration removed it. And the Biden administration, with control of both houses, couldn't put it back in place? Republicans suck, yes. But Dems aren't any better and partisan bickering results in no one held accountable

False equivalence. Both sides arent equally bad and voting is a choice between them
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