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50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by voakbasda »

grantsch wrote: post #122
SilverBirch wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overpromising and underdelivering is what you do when you can't meet the expectations and you need to try and get the business anyway. What's the alternative? Honestly promise a product no one wants to buy. Once you've manufactured a billion widgets you no longer need to overpromise and underdeliver. It's very similar to the silicon valley "fake it till you make it" attitude.

Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

When your competition is willing to lie and cheat, honesty is a liability that will result in bankruptcy. Worse, this attitude is endemic in all business sectors where I have worked, and I would be shocked to find a sector where this is not true.

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Post by solarmist »

scrlk wrote: post #138
kamakazizuru wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does everyone also know about the outsize influence China has on Vietnam? If the goal is to de-risk a China / US Trade War scenario and prevent Chinese government from stealing chip tech etc - then you dont get much by going to their pals next door ;)

I wouldn't call China and Vietnam pals. If you look at history, the suspicion/animosity between the two goes back thousands of years.

I don’t think OP meant it a friendly way either. Like under China’s thumb “pals”.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by solarmist »

tristor wrote: post #100

Unsurprising for anyone that has done business in India. This is not a dig on Indian people, but the society they operate in is incredibly incredibly corrupt, on a scale which is basically unthinkable to anyone who hasn't been directly exposed to it. I cannot imagine doing business of the precision that Apple is trying to achieve in India. There are many other lower precision arrangements that can be worked out in In…

I had the same impressions of China 30 years ago too.

Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels?

Apple will absolutely get its way even against the Indian government. And if they really can’t they’ll abandon the country which would absolutely have a huge negative impact on Indias economy.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by solarmist »

rocknor wrote: post #112
firstfewshells wrote: post #64

This is like comparing the code written by an experienced 20 year veteran to the code written by a fresh graduate. Give it time, India will catch up. Lot of people in the comments taking a dig at the work ethic of people in India when most of them will cry a river if asked by their employer to RTO 2 days a week.

Seriously, it has become a pattern now in every thread related to India. Really shows how HN techies are clueless about real world trends and live in their small bubbles.

Either they will adapt to working with a demanding global company or they won’t.

Apple won’t accept any other outcomes. And they have the leeway to abandon projects this size easily.

And if they don’t; it would be very damaging to India’s reputation (and GDP) for decades. I feel like they’ll figure out how to make it happen.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by solarmist »

randcraw wrote: post #63
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #27

There are scams at every single level in the Indian system. Everybody wants a cut and some extra to do their job. It is maybe one of the worst places to manufacture in the world. I know Apple needs to diversify but Vietnam and other such countries might be a better fit. The work ethic is severely lacking in India.

Similar difficulties pervade the supply chain as it passes through India, where intermediates expect to 'take a taste' of the product's value. Just try to personally carry new electronics into the country without greasing a palm or two.

Not sure how this could apply to Apple. They’re ruthless in their supply chain costs and tolerances.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by solarmist »

sabujp wrote: post #2

where does india get the raw materials and equipment to produce the casings, don't they mostly come from the same place?

From what I’ve read about the sapphire glass Apple often finances/buys the equipment as part of the contract. This makes the contracts extremely one-sided in Apples’ favor.

But I guess the answer right now is ultimately China.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by tristor »

solarmist wrote: post #143
tristor wrote: post #100

Unsurprising for anyone that has done business in India. This is not a dig on Indian people, but the society they operate in is incredibly incredibly corrupt, on a scale which is basically unthinkable to anyone who hasn't been directly exposed to it. I cannot imagine doing business of the precision that Apple is trying to achieve in India. There are many other lower precision arrangements that can be worked out in In…

I had the same impressions of China 30 years ago too. Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels? Apple will absolutely get its way even against the Indian government. And if they really can’t they’ll abandon the country which would absolutely have a huge negative impact on Indias economy.

> Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels?

Yes, absolutely. It's a slow, difficult path, however. Without the right incentive structures, there's no reason for a society to change to avoid corruption.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by solarmist »

tristor wrote: post #147
solarmist wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the same impressions of China 30 years ago too. Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels? Apple will absolutely get its way even against the Indian government. And if they really can’t they’ll abandon the country which would absolutely have a huge negative impact on Indias economy.

> Isn’t doing this kind of thing how you start to reform things at least on the business levels? Yes, absolutely. It's a slow, difficult path, however. Without the right incentive structures, there's no reason for a society to change to avoid corruption.

Completely agree.

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Post by permo-w »

traceroute66 wrote: post #131
permo-w wrote: post #33

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> Disclaimer: I'm not making claims or insinuations here, I've insufficient knowledge of Pharma to do so. I said "makes you think" for a reason, i.e. pure speculation, probably wrong I don’t accept this disclaimer. “makes you …” is not a phrase people use when they’re trying to avoid implications or insinuations. the opposite, in fact, so much so that I’d say that it’s probably as often used seriously as it is humoro…

@permo-w Get lost. My disclaimer was written as is and means exactly what it says, i.e. making clear it was pure speculation and that I knew nothing of the Pharma industry. In other words, I was openly inviting people to dismiss the comment as worthless. There is no reading between the lines to be done.

I'm objecting to you acting as if including a disclaimer negates the exclusive use of "makes you think" to insinuate. if you don't want to imply, don't include a podcast host "but I'm just a dumb guy" disclaimer at the end, use a phrase that isn't 100% always used to insinuate, or don't say it. it's as simple as that

can you see how this works from my reply to your comment? I spent the whole comment slating what you said, then stuck in a disclaimer at the end to point out that I don't really disagree with what you said, nor do I intend to insult you, and yet you still got emotional about it. disclaimers like that are lazy and don't change the fact that you said something. why not just put the same extra effort into making your words more clear?

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Post by blobbers »

1024core wrote: post #129
blobbers wrote: post #46

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Anyone want to vouch for their great experience driving a Tata car? Not exported outside the middle east and India. Looks like they sold 5 of them in Europe in 2016. https://carsalesbase.com/europe-tata/#:~:text=Tata%20cars%20... .

You do know that Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover... right?

Not really in the Jag or Land Rover game mate. That said, they have a horrible reputation for unreliability.
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