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Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I think it's awesome that some people enjoy their work and love their jobs. That said, if you aren't an owner of the company then I think it's unhealthy to be emotionally invested. In my last job, I had received a competing offer and informed my boss that I would rather not leave but that this other offer was too financially good for me to ignore. My boss responded by beating the other offer and I stayed there for ab…

> That is, they are putting themselves first, and so should you.

Another point to make is, it's possible to know this, put yourself first, and still love your job.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I wonder if large companies recognise they are shitting in the pond they are floating in.

As somebody with over quarter of century of experience managing and hiring people I notice how candidates change over time (trying to adjust for how I change myself). I notice people care less about the company they work for and, honestly, it is more and more difficult to find arguments against.

This whole trend of optimising everything to the max without caring for people is going to create an employee base that is completely disillusioned about their role or prospects or what's their best strategy for life.

When more and more people started changing jobs every year just to get an incremental raise without even bothering to get the raise at the company I worked for I thought this is shortsighted and it will backfire on them and it will teach them. Well, did not happen. It just became a new normal.

I wonder what new things are going to pass as acceptable.

Any company needs some people who care about what they do. But these are in shorter and shorter supply every year, it seems.

When you run a query on LinkedIn it will show you a list of candidates with their three last jobs. I noticed page after page after page everybody has their third last job starting 2020/2021. Meaning almost all seem to be spending less than a year on each of their jobs in past couple years. And these are all supposed to be senior candidates.

It is no way to have a productive employee base.

You can pay people more to keep them at your company for a while longer, but there is very little you can do to overcome their inherent cynicism.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I think it's awesome that some people enjoy their work and love their jobs. That said, if you aren't an owner of the company then I think it's unhealthy to be emotionally invested. In my last job, I had received a competing offer and informed my boss that I would rather not leave but that this other offer was too financially good for me to ignore. My boss responded by beating the other offer and I stayed there for ab…

> "You've got to put yourself first".

This doesn't mean "take the highest offer", it means putting yourself first. In your situation, going back to your boss was clearly an ask to stay because that was what you wanted. It's possible to be comfortable and content with your work and your job, and to prioritize that over chasing more money too.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I think it's awesome that some people enjoy their work and love their jobs. That said, if you aren't an owner of the company then I think it's unhealthy to be emotionally invested. In my last job, I had received a competing offer and informed my boss that I would rather not leave but that this other offer was too financially good for me to ignore. My boss responded by beating the other offer and I stayed there for ab…

While I totally agree, I can't blame people for getting emotionally invested because today's companies hammer that corporate propaganda into everyone's heads all the time. There are good intentions, but it's manipulative in the same way that a flaky boyfriend or girlfriend can lead you on even though they're not truly serious or committed. In the cast of corporatism, the sentimentality is directed toward a group of disparate individuals with an overlapping albeit replaceable goal. The best thing for everyone is to see it for what it is, not assume malice, and keep a safe distance.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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Greg’s “Devs and Depression” talk many years back was a light in the middle of a very dark period of time in my life.

Having followed some of Greg’s work when I was doing developer relations, this particular post hit me closer to home than most, and is just another reminder of the caliber of people impacted by these cuts.

When I voluntarily left my job last year to refocus on my mental health for awhile, it was one of the harder decisions to make and I was an emotional wreck throughout the process. Having this happen suddenly is something I'm grateful I haven't yet experienced. Posts like this are a good reminder of just how personal many of these layoffs are for people, and I have nothing but empathy for everyone going through this right now.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I wonder if large companies recognise they are shitting in the pond they are floating in. As somebody with over quarter of century of experience managing and hiring people I notice how candidates change over time (trying to adjust for how I change myself). I notice people care less about the company they work for and, honestly, it is more and more difficult to find arguments against. This whole trend of optimising ev…

I feel like there’s something weird going on in most companies above a certain size. I’ve worked at small companies with a wonderful culture and people put in lots of work to get a beautiful product shipped. But then when the company grows something changes and pushes those original passionate people out. Everyone else sees the passionate people get treated bad and react appropriately. Suddenly the large company carved its own soul out, and then wonders why its workers come empty.

I would do all I could for a job that respected me as a human being. But it’s gotten to the point where you can’t trust anyone above you, no matter what they say. Doing well in a growing company means you have to get more and more cutthroat, so you’re incentivized to try less and less.

Re: Thoughts on getting laid off after nine years at Twilio

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I wonder if large companies recognise they are shitting in the pond they are floating in. As somebody with over quarter of century of experience managing and hiring people I notice how candidates change over time (trying to adjust for how I change myself). I notice people care less about the company they work for and, honestly, it is more and more difficult to find arguments against. This whole trend of optimising ev…

In many positions, and at many points in your career, job hopping or the threat of it is the only real way to get any noticeable raise in actual compensation.

Most companies just don't really reward loyalty anymore.

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