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I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by tarotuser »

tdehnel wrote: post #52
tarotuser wrote: post #48

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It's a protestant (or WASP- white anglo-saxon protestant) history in the USA that has caused innumerable damage on medicine, education, and what is 'acceptable'. In sex-ed, we're not allowed to talk to children/adolescents that sex is enjoyable. It's against protestant morals. If something feels good, we're not allowed to talk about it. And in that same view, doctors should never give out drugs that make you feel goo…

You are just long-windedly doubling down on your racism. But your justificationist theory does not explain why people of other races in Nigeria, Qatar, Japan, and every other non-white majority country do not tolerate drugs.

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Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by jemmyw »

mr_00ff00 wrote: post #23
NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #7

Anecdotes and auto-biographies are the easiest to write, as they require the least research and one is already so familiar with the protagonist. It will be nice to see ketamine and psychedelics as part of a toolbox professionals can use for treatment. Many current antidepressants cause strong suicidal and homicidal urges. Look at the widely prescribed citalopram disclaimer. Here's an anecdote: close person to me was…

Does anyone have info on how/why anti-depressants cause suicidal and homicidal thoughts? I know when it comes to the brain, conventional logic fails, but you would think anti-depressants would stop suicidal thoughts. I googled it and couldn’t find anything.

I've taken several courses of SSRIs. I think it works like this: you're depressed and you have dark thoughts but you don't really feel motivated to do ANYTHING. Then you take some pills and at first they send your mood all over the place, but those thoughts are still present and prevalent. So now you feel pretty good about the idea of killing yourself.

Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by subjectsigma »

benmoose wrote: post #8
subjectsigma wrote: post #6

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Did you seriously just suggest that people should ignore treatment suggestions by real doctors and go to a rave? And then have the gall to call the author irresponsible? This is one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture.

Those disgusted by rave culture really should get out more

My girlfriend used to go to camping raves and had to stop. She described the culture as “really smelly and pretty rape-y depending on the set list”. Sounds just lovely.

She still listens to the music, though, much to my chagrin as I think its fucking terrible.

Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by subjectsigma »

voisin wrote: post #10
subjectsigma wrote: post #6

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Did you seriously just suggest that people should ignore treatment suggestions by real doctors and go to a rave? And then have the gall to call the author irresponsible? This is one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture.

> one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture I’ve never been to a rave but I’ve also never met anyone in my life who has expressed disgust by rave culture. Is this a thing?

My girlfriend, who used to go to quite a few raves, claimed that sexual assault was a big problem.

Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by electric_mayhem »

emodendroket wrote: post #17
electric_mayhem wrote: post #15

Can’t possibly discount the possibility that this is FUD put out by the pharmaceutical industry to counterweight the increased openness to psychedelics, in part from Pollan’s How to Change Your Mind book and Netflix series. My experience has been that with proper set and setting, I got months of relief from a good psychedelic experience. Shrooms. My first mushroom trip I had tears streaming down my face for something…

I'm sure you could find some unhappy trip experiences on erowid if you believe it is literally impossible that anyone could have a negative experience.

Where did I say that it was “literally impossible that anyone could have a negative experience”?

Straw man much?

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Post by [deleted] »

elecush wrote: post #3

Mindset and Setting are so important to have right. If you are not in the right mindset, go do something else. It reads like the dosage was also a bit too high for the first time, and while I appreciate medical purity levels in things the doc can give you, injecting everything is just ew. You can get plenty of that active ingredient ingesting it like a normal savage through your face like God intended. Anyway, ketami…

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Re: I Tried Ketamine to Treat My Depression. It Was Terrifying

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Post by digianarchist »

EMM_386 wrote: post #9

I was given ketamine to reduce my dislocated shoulder. I experienced something very similar to what the author writes, ending up in a black void and feeling like I'm tumbling into nothingness. I remember yelling out in the ER "no, no, NO!" as the spinning and tumbling toward the void increased. I believe recreational uses refer to this as the "k-hole" and I found it extremely unpleasant.

There's a BBC Scotland video that shows a NHS patient being administered ketamine for a fractured ankle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htApRMWDueg

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Post by elecush »

seattle_spring wrote: post #58
ethanbond wrote: post #36

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Do we know that a clinical setting is advantageous or even neutral for these types of treatments? Ravers/psychedelic community: “it’s the drugs, music, and community, man!” Clinicians for 50 years while people are suffering immensely: “no.” Clinicians after 50 years: “okay, we’ll give you the drugs in our clean room.” Maybe clinical settings are fine, and surely the way to find out is by doing rigorous science, but i…

Racers are some of the most depressed people I've ever met when not raving.

burnout from overuse and over-frequent use is real

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #57
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #45

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I'm not sure why there's such outrage at the suggestion. The point is that doing something enjoyable, exciting or joyful when taking these drugs is very effective. Maybe raves for a 65 year old is not appropriate, but it can be anything really: being out in nature, being with old friends, going to a concert, etc. Personally I wouldn't take any psychedelic in a doctor's office. That to me would be awful. Doctors (and…

I’m 66 and going to a rave sounds good to me ;)

I was going to say that people in their sixties would have been in their thirties in the 90's so probably went to raves, or at least clubs, and took all manner of drugs.

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Post by elecush »

subjectsigma wrote: post #64
voisin wrote: post #10

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> one of the many reasons why normal people are disgusted by rave culture I’ve never been to a rave but I’ve also never met anyone in my life who has expressed disgust by rave culture. Is this a thing?

My girlfriend, who used to go to quite a few raves, claimed that sexual assault was a big problem.

second-hand knowledge is not expertise
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