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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by legitster »

slenk wrote: post #267
Workaccount2 wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the accident released a ton of nasty chemicals in one spot. However they are pretty volatile and naturally dissipate. If you see recent pictures from the crash site, nobody is wearing PPE and the EPA has deemed the area as safe to be in.

EPA also said the dust from the towers collapsing on 9/11 was safe.

The actual EPA pronouncement was that the air and water in NY city were safe (not to warrant an evacuation). They still recommended that first responders and people in the vicinity wear respirators.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by Workaccount2 »

throwaheyy wrote: post #402
Workaccount2 wrote: post #364

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There probably already is 250,000 gallons (if it was 10 cars and all 10 converted perfectly to HCl, and all of it went into the water supply) into a water table of, lets be conservative with 10 billion gallons, is 0.00002% concentration or .02ppm Compare this to your stomach, which has an hydrochloric acid concentration of 5000ppm. So yes, I would have no issue with it. All the water you drink mixes with a much highe…

That amount of hydrochloric acid doesn't just magically dilute evenly into the water table in one instant.

It's actually more mixed than you would think since it forms HCl in the atmosphere and falls down with rain.

For reference 1 inch of rain over 1 sq. mile is approximately 18 million gallons.

So even if we concentrated the full 250k gallons (remember that HCl is just one byproduct too, so we are being very generous with 250k gallons, most of the byproducts are carbon monoxide/dioxide), but 250k gallons into 1 sq mile of rain fall....138ppm

In reality this will fall over thousands of square miles too.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by junofan »

e40 wrote: post #379
kneebonian wrote: post #373

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And yet despite having a majority of the house and senate under Biden they've been unable to deliver almost anything except an unfair railroad contract. So maybe, just maybe, the 2 sides are willing to shout about different things but at the end of the day are in fact the same.

Razor thin margin in the Senate and at least 2 of the "Democrats" are not really going to vote on anything controversial. They have been shills, so far, for business interests.

Are you saying there was no possible way to get railroad safety through?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by shadowgovt »

LarryMullins wrote: post #323
qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #216

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Exactly this. Nobody claiming this shit is safe will put their lives where their mouths are. Nobody in this thread moaning about people not trusting the experts will consider moving their families into this town to show the rest of us how trustworthy they really think the government is.

Does me not moving out of town count? ;)

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by rodgerd »

danaris wrote: post #385
olivermarks wrote: post #369

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The argument against hyper capitalism causing more and more derailments is credible if you look into 'precision scheduled railroading' practices, aka shaving expense by eliminating unnecessary costs and 'optimizing Assets'. Sadly this has little to do with 'conservatives' or 'the left' and a lot more to do with our apolitical global oligarchy who own the politicians in power and many lobbying groups including 'climat…

You really don't see there being a very distinct difference between the beliefs of the left and right wings of American politics on this? You think "global oligarchy" is "apolitical", at a time when the right wing is pushing harder and harder for the very wealthy to, essentially, be able to do anything they want, while the left wing (such as it is in this country) is pushing to restrict their power and tax their weal…

While I agree that there are, in general, significant differences in positions on these things, this seems like a bad example to choose: after all, US rail workers went on strike over the safety, long hours, and being expected to work injured or sick, and President Biden signed off on laws making their strikes illegal.

Unfortunately, at least in the English-speaking world, many nominal workers' parties have largely bought into worker-hostile policies under Blair, Starmer, Clinton, Albanese, and so on.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by celdon25 »

nabla9 wrote: post #330
ly3xqhl8g9 wrote: post #243

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A tad of Yes, Minister wisdom [1]: "The Four Stage Strategy: Stage 1. Nothing is going to happen. Stage 2. Something may happen, but we should do nothing about it. Stage 3. Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do. Stage 4. Maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

Legislation passed under President Obama required trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes. The law was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration.

You posted two duplicate comments in this thread only to claim that it was Trump's fault?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by Workaccount2 »

slenk wrote: post #267
Workaccount2 wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the accident released a ton of nasty chemicals in one spot. However they are pretty volatile and naturally dissipate. If you see recent pictures from the crash site, nobody is wearing PPE and the EPA has deemed the area as safe to be in.

EPA also said the dust from the towers collapsing on 9/11 was safe.

Are you going to list every call the EPA made and whether it was right or wrong? Or just cherry pick?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by knewter »

junofan wrote: post #414
e40 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Razor thin margin in the Senate and at least 2 of the "Democrats" are not really going to vote on anything controversial. They have been shills, so far, for business interests.

Are you saying there was no possible way to get railroad safety through?

But it was the Republicans' fault
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