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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by mynameisvlad »

GeekyBear wrote: post #340
mynameisvlad wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think every major OS ships with some sort of calculator. The problem is discoverability. If you're in the middle of browsing, it's quite a bit of effort to say "oh that's right I have a calculator on here let me just find it in the start menu/Applications folder" as opposed to it just being there in the same app you're already using. Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon…

> Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon after in desktop OSes. There's still a calculator widget for the MacOS notification center. It's accessed in any app through a trackpad gesture or by clicking on the date/time in the menu bar.

For now. This is what, the third iteration of widgets on Mac?

The fact that it seems to be similar enough to the iOS implementation of them gives me hope, but only barely.

You also need to know the feature exists (they had notifications before widgets, people might not know it was updated to support them), that there exists a calculator widget, and to add it before you need to use it. That's the same discoverabiloty problem, with the added wrinkle that functionality changed in Monterey.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by gerash »

tastyminerals2 wrote: post #189
npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

It all sounds good as a consumer but there are a few questions which are by no means clear to me:

* How does getting recommendations from a chatbot (what TV to buy) play with websites that produce such content (TV reviews) * How does it play with websites that rely on ad impression * How can you monetize a chatbot? (there's an easy way: free tier + monthly subscription) * How to reduce the massive compute cost of a good chatbot without making it bad (this also seems more straightforward)

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by visarga »

bioemerl wrote: post #282
ignoramous wrote: post #270

When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…

> When Sundar reacts fast enough Their response wasn't fast enough. They should have been experimenting with this stuff in public for years now, but they've kept it under cover. This was a deflated promise from Google. They swore up and down they could blow Chat GPT out of the water. They just didn't release it for.... Reasons. Now we see the answer. Chat GPT marches forward with name recognition and lots of trial an…

chatGPT and now bingGPT are the devils we know. It comes down to showing it in public so it can take the 10,000 punches to the face (our attempts to hack it) and we get to see how it behaves directly. Who knows what hidden problems lurk in Bard? I don't trust published scores.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by TrevorJ »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Here's the issue: whether you use a traditional index based search, or GPT...you are going to be consuming AI generated content. Either at the page level or the synthesis level, or both.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by visarga »

O1111OOO wrote: post #303
ignoramous wrote: post #270

When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…

My take... > When Sundar doesn't react fast enough They are like Xerox. Search-heads (reference to copy-heads) > When Sundar reacts fast enough This is exactly how a company with their thumb on the pulse of the internet should be reacting. The tech is already out there - at its infancy. This will not be Google+ 2.0... > Satya in Redmond Oh, no... let's rush this out now!! We can't lose momentum. This is our chance!!!…

bingGPT getting angry was a treat to see. Wow! It will be impossible not to anthropomorphise.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by cutenewt »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #293
cutenewt wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One CEO (and company) has joy. The other one does not. I know which one I'd rather join.

At this point, I'm curious which you think is which.

gregw134 nailed it

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by visarga »

hintymad wrote: post #326
ignoramous wrote: post #270

When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…

> Google needs a war-time CEO Do you know that "war-time" is a banned phrase in Google, because it is just so f*@$ offensive? In the end, words are weapons used by Nazis. We need 1000 Gebru to do things ethically in Google /s

Gebru didn't "do" anything, she did criticise a lot, though. And she used the Google scandal to launch her next career stage. Now she has her own institute (DAIR).

I think she is exactly the kind of responsible-AI people we don't need. We need responsible-responsible-AI people. She would rather burn all LLM technology and burry it.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by pphysch »

oofta-boofta wrote: post #228
AlbertCory wrote: post #216

Xoogler here. I'll ignore the AI and "has Google lost its way?" threads, not that they're not interesting. Rather, Sundar: he's the inevitable product when you hire a CEO based on his longevity and whether everyone likes him. In the military they distinguish between a "barracks general" and a "combat general." He's the former. He looks good when nothing bad is happening.

Whew boy you hit the nail on the head. Google just seems to be aimless at this point, and now with the layoffs (despite their immense profitability) they're going to have a much tougher time hiring and retaining top talent.

Microsoft's GitHub, which is apparently at the forefront of the "LLM revolution" with Copilot, also announced significant cost-cuts. What's your point?

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Post by p_j_w »

scarface74 wrote: post #153
everdrive wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GPT to write thank you note The whole point of a thank you note is that it takes time and effort. You didn’t write a thank you note, you forged one.

I bet you also think it takes effort to write the same boilerplate resignation letter/good bye letter. I’ve used the same two since 2012 across 5 jobs.

There's a big difference: no one gives a shit about how authentic a resignation letter is. A thank you note, especially to a friend? Thoughtfulness and authenticity matter there. A lot.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by throw_pm23 »

mzs wrote: post #227
tastyminerals2 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

Yikes, I don't have access to bing chatbot but google translate for Ukrainian is not great compared to Polish or Russian. I would not rely on it for any work.

Did you try deepl? It has been blowing google translate out of the water for years now.
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