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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by gowings97 »

TylerE wrote: post #368
gowings97 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point, but from what I've read the preliminary cause identified pertains to an axle (not braking) issue?

The idea is that you stop quicker, before the axle actually fails.

So the train initiated a stop, the axle broke, and they did not stop in time? Why did they initiate the stop?

First I've heard of this.

*Update - NTSB is saying it was bearing failure - https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230214.as...

ctrl+f for 'axle' or 'brake' from the NTSB statement - zero results

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by danaris »

snozolli wrote: post #236
ska wrote: post #226

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so is "grow wary", which is the potential problem.

"Grow wary" isn't a thing. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=grow+weary%2Cg...

Even if that's the case, it's very easy to hear "grow weary" and conflate it with the similar word "wary", coming up with "grow wary" as a malapropism.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by [deleted] »

gnulinux wrote: post #337
AutumnCurtain wrote: post #279

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Anything involving government really. This is the decades old "starve the beast" [1] mindset. Let's make sure government is absolutely ineffective at every step of the way, and then later point out how ineffective the government is and propose an even more ineffective, under-resourced government. It's a vicious cycle, and a self-fulfilled prophecy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by smcl »

madaxe_again wrote: post #316
smcl wrote: post #100

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Are you: - weary of these getting downplayed (pron. wee-ree = you are tired of it) - wary of these getting downplayed (pron. way-ray = you are suspicious of it)

Where do they pronounce wary way-ray? I’ve always said it “where-y”.

Scotland - and the emphasis is on the first syllable ("wea-" is about 1.5-2x longer than "ry", with the "r" short and rolled). But remember mapping pronunciation of spoken-English to Latin characters is a little bit ambiguous due to accents. For example you use the word "where" to help describe how you pronounce "wary", but for me that "wh" in "where" is slightly aspirated.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by smcl »

stronglikedan wrote: post #167
smcl wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you: - weary of these getting downplayed (pron. wee-ree = you are tired of it) - wary of these getting downplayed (pron. way-ray = you are suspicious of it)

Both are valid phrases, and both can be true, even at the same time.

They are! That's why I asked which it was.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by olivermarks »

danaris wrote: post #385
olivermarks wrote: post #369

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The argument against hyper capitalism causing more and more derailments is credible if you look into 'precision scheduled railroading' practices, aka shaving expense by eliminating unnecessary costs and 'optimizing Assets'. Sadly this has little to do with 'conservatives' or 'the left' and a lot more to do with our apolitical global oligarchy who own the politicians in power and many lobbying groups including 'climat…

You really don't see there being a very distinct difference between the beliefs of the left and right wings of American politics on this? You think "global oligarchy" is "apolitical", at a time when the right wing is pushing harder and harder for the very wealthy to, essentially, be able to do anything they want, while the left wing (such as it is in this country) is pushing to restrict their power and tax their weal…

Two wings of the same party. At this point because the DNC are currently so powerful they are parochially dominant (and extremely corrupt), the pendulum will swing soon and the power will shift to the RNC (who will no doubt also be extremely corrupt).

The unelected bureaucrats actually run everything in the US and at a state level. In California where I live we currently have a supermajority Dem state government, but regardless of this a handful of unelected bureaucrats from the Gray Davis era run everything in Sacramento behind the scenes.

The idea the DNC 'left wing' is pushing to restrict the local elite's power and tax them is laughable. They just have a few noisy straw men to placate voters and fill their air waves. (I'm a registered Dem FWIW. I loathe the party these days).

We need a big parochial political shake up!

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by smcl »

nerdponx wrote: post #136
missedthecue wrote: post #113

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I think people combine leery and wary in their mind and end up with weary, which they don't intend. I see it a lot. In the case of the parent comment however, weary does work.

And/or they've seen the word "weary" and assume it's pronounced like "wary", so they spell the word "wary" as "weary".

This is it - if you hear the word "wary" and know the verb "to wear" before encountering the written word "weary" it's totally understandable to assume that is how "wary" is written and to mix them up.

What I wanted to do with my comment is show this without coming across as a mean or pedantic - especially since in the context both work ok. I've no idea if I accomplished that, I probably come across as a dick but I hope I don't.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by yunwal »

davesque wrote: post #218

This might be an unpopular opinion, but the speed at which this story has overtaken social media has made me skeptical. That coupled with the fact that the story practically doesn't exist in mainstream media. And in this case I just don't buy the whole "lamestream" media narrative. The mainstream media was all over the water crisis in Flint, Michigan. There's no reason they wouldn't be interested in giving more cover…

Flint is a great example because it only gained attention because residents started complaining on social media and in public forums[0][1]. Despite widespread protest and refusal to drink the water, and mass sickness, official sources maintained that the water was safe to drink[2]. National news media picked up the story almost 2 years after the switch in water treatment systems[3]. Even still EPA officials refused to acknowledge issues with Flint water, with Obama drinking Flint water at a press conference to convince people it was safe[4]. It wasn't until 2017, 2 and a half years after the switch, that media and official consensus was that Flint constituted an emergency.

So yeah, keep your pitchforks out people!

[0] - https://midmichigannow.com/news/local/flint-residents-avoidi...

[1] - https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2015...

[2] - https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/01/22/w...

[3] - https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/watered-down

[4] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZynkD3N_k

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by s1artibartfast »

pathartl wrote: post #390
s1artibartfast wrote: post #354

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I think it is still a good heuristic that most people should follow. Step 1: do I need to have an informed opinion Step 2: Do I need that opinion NOW Step 3: WHAT do I need to know NOW There is a vast amount of conspiracy theorizing that people could avoid by following this approach.

Absolutely. I live in a completely different state and I'm pretty unaffected by this whole tragedy/negligence. I could sit and speculate about what actually happened, but what does that do other than spend energy on something that I'm not actually involved with?

Yeah, There is something to be said about genuine curiosity, but in the face of a emotionally changed misinformation blizzard the best option is to take a step back.

If you decide you are curious and actually want to care about railroad safety, dont react to the current crisis, "hit the books" and read some actually informative material about past events.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #371
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #268

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> when you checked, but right now it's literally nowhere to be found When this happened. Nobody clicked on it so it fell off. (I’m still failing to see why this is a national tragedy requiring minute to minute updates.)

I’m not sure how to reconcile “this is the only thing people are talking about” with “these stories have fallen off all the top news sites because nobody is clicking on them”.

This story should get more traction. It isn’t because it isn’t of general interest. Not because of a conspiracy.
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