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BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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Post by rayiner »

bhupy wrote: post #327
rayiner wrote: post #252

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Western notions of what liberal democracy should look like (multi-cultural, multi-religious, etc.) is a colonial imposition on India: https://unherd.com/2021/04/the-culture-wars-of-post-colonial...

It's not so much Western notions of what liberal democracy should look like, but rather the Western notion that liberal democracy is superior/sacrosanct. "Liberal democracy" has a very specific meaning — or at least, it has to, or else there's no common language to describe these things. What India is engaging in is objectively not liberal democracy, it's illiberal democracy[1], but that can be okay . The fact that "…

I agree with your framing. Good point.

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Post by ignoramous »

difflens wrote: post #329
ignoramous wrote: post #314

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So it is fascism in all but name? Gotcha.

Either you're being reductionist on purpose, or the reply above just flew over your head.

If you took GP seriously, you've been grossly mislead.

GPs claims like: "They actually win fair elections straight up" need citations.

The rest of the pseudo theory about identity fault-lines, and mental gymnastics about "English media biases" doesn't even warrant a reply let alone a reductionist one. The right-wing political party governing India is affiliated with fascist organizations, and this isn't even remotely debatable.

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Post by ch4s3 »

trasz3 wrote: post #337
ch4s3 wrote: post #299

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This is an awful take. Western media covers scandals in western governments regularly. You could also always check out Al Jazeera, if you know what their slant is on middle east coverage. Also comparing anything going on in the US for the last 60 years to the genocide happening in Xinjiang is ridiculous on its face.

>Also comparing anything going on in the US for the last 60 years to the genocide happening in Xinjiang is ridiculous on its face. Indeed - the fact that black people are being killed and incarcerated for their skin colour in USA is well documented, whereas the “genocide” is mostly just a propaganda tool.

> Indeed - the fact that black people are being killed and incarcerated for their skin colour in USA is well documented

This is a total misreading of the situation. I'm not here to argue that the US has a perfect human rights record, but its an active topic of debate and reform are happening. Moreover, the idea that people are being incarcerated solely for their skin color is not "well documented" and strains credulity as a claim. If the claim is sentencing disparity, then sure there is an issue there, but your claim is wholly false.

Xinjiang is a completely different situation. We know factually that millions of people have gone through reeducation camps, the CCP is trying to eradicate the Uyghur language and force Han culture on the Uyghurs. You can see these modern day concentration camps from satellite imagery. There are well documented cases of forced sterilization. There is no legal process for appeals if a Uyghur is arrested, and we know many of the arrests are for religious practice. The world saw what the CCP did in Tibet, and we're seeing an even more grotesque version in Xinjiang.

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Post by ch4s3 »

trasz3 wrote: post #332
orbital223 wrote: post #184

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> keep China out of "trivially easy to prove that the West is better for its own citizens" China has concentration camps.

>China has concentration camps. So does USA. It’s called the prison system. Except USA is imprisoning many more people, per capita.

US prisons are not concentration camps. The majority of people in US prisons have committed usually dozens of crimes and the plurality of inmates have committed violent crimes[1]. No one is in a US prison for praying, teaching their children a language the state disapproves of, or similar non-crimes. There are no forced sterilizations in US prisons.

[1]https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2022.html

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Post by bawolff »

toyg wrote: post #89
bawolff wrote: post #26

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I don't think it is. Whether appointments to the bbc are the results of bribes is material to if the BJP statement is just making things up as implied by the original poster. Whataboutism isn't a catch all term that can be used to get rid of every opposing argument.

Unless they can show a pattern of corruption in BBC appointments, they're just taking a single example to support an otherwise-baseless argument. Sharp is an outlier, brought about by one of the worst ever UK governments in living memory, which is why we know of him and he's under pressure to leave.

Sure its not enough to prove the point, but its relavent to the point.

Re: BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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Post by bawolff »

esperent wrote: post #150
bawolff wrote: post #26

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I don't think it is. Whether appointments to the bbc are the results of bribes is material to if the BJP statement is just making things up as implied by the original poster. Whataboutism isn't a catch all term that can be used to get rid of every opposing argument.

> Whataboutism isn't a catch all term No, but it certainly applies to this comment and a whole load of other comments in the thread where people are trying to draw false equivalence by pointing out isolated incidents of corruption or police violence in Europe and thereby implying that we shouldn't be looking too harshly on other countries. False/shaky equivalence as a distraction, AKA whataboutism.

> by pointing out isolated incidents of corruption or police violence in Europe and thereby implying that we shouldn't be looking too harshly on other countries

I don't think they said this. Certainly if they made this argument it would be whataboutism.

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Post by dmix »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #321
archagon wrote: post #298

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Censorship is one thing, but then I read reports of things like this: https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl... Personally, I could not tolerate living in a country where I have to watch what I say out of fear of me and my family ending up in prison for years. (Or in an internment camp, depending on my ethnicity.) Perhaps your Australian didn’t think they had anything interesting to speak out ab…

As I said earlier, I never claimed that China has no problems, and I welcome genuine efforts to improve the human rights situation in China. But current efforts are simply not genuine and are merely geopolitical attacks disguised as human rights concerns. To make a comparison: the US also has many grave human rights abuses, including jailing people for saying "too interesting" things. But the US is not painted as som…

> To make a comparison: the US also has many grave human rights abuses, including jailing people for saying "too interesting" things.

The west is far bigger and more varied than the US.

I'd love to see a defense of China that doesn't immediately delve into "US also bad" or "US made us bad".

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Post by dmix »

briandear wrote: post #177
propogandist wrote: post #88

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This needs to be uploaded on Youtube, Facebook and other mediums where the govt will have to work harder to have it removed.

Lol. YouTube and Facebook conspire with governments all the time.

Maybe he's being sarcastic?

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Post by gorilla0 »

jack_riminton wrote: post #76
bovermyer wrote: post #41

Is it just me, or are authoritarian regimes on the rise world-wide?

Yes, I think it's related to the waining political and economic power of the West and buoyed by Putin, Xi Jinping etc getting away with whatever they want

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