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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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> In general, there's no particular need to make the list of chemicals public. In the event of emergency, every container is stamped with one or two standard labels indicating the nature of the chemical threat and what firefighters need to do to address it What part of the hazard warning indicates what's required for environmental remediation? In order to properly remediate, you need to know what you're dealing with.

In general, no environmental remediation is necessary because the chemical doesn't spill. If it spills, of course there should be disclosure. Parent appeared to be expressing surprise there was no disclosure until an incident occurred; of course there wasn't. (Disclosure takes more time than we assume it should because freight is actually kinda disorganized relative to what most of us would expect given our informati…

That's not how I read the original comment:

> This is anodyne phrasing that omits the lede, which is that this information was not previously disclosed. This expanded "list of toxic chemicals" was not public prior to Sunday.

The accident happened on February 3rd. And the chemicals started being released on the 6th. Sunday was the 12th. That's a long time to wait to disclose the types of chemicals you're releasing in a town.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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It went viral on TikTok. Was that entirely organic? Or did the Chinese government throw some tinder on the fire? It’s pretty bad that they have the capability.

Not sure if you misread it but I said it was in organic.

Yes I was agreeing with you. It’s very possible it was inorganic.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Before everyone loses there mind, because this story has oddly been on blast 2 weeks after the incident: VC is a gas a room temperature. None of the VC cars were ruptured in the crash. They were vented and ignited by workers to avoid explosion. Burning VC produces carbon oxides, HCl, phosgene, and formaldehyde. HCl, Phosgene become hydrochloric acid in the atmosphere. The total amount of hydrochloric acid this could…

So how do you explain the dead fish, chickens, and people with rashes etc.?

I mean, dead fishes and chickens and rashes occur at natural rates in any population regardless of the presence of chemicals.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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post #328

Legislation passed under President Obama required trains carrying hazardous flammable materials to have ECP brakes. The law was rescinded in 2017 by the Trump administration.

> Electronically controlled pneumatic (ECP) brakes are a type of modern railway braking system which offer improved performance compared to traditional railway air brakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronically_controlled_pneu...

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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A tad of Yes, Minister wisdom [1]: "The Four Stage Strategy: Stage 1. Nothing is going to happen. Stage 2. Something may happen, but we should do nothing about it. Stage 3. Maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do. Stage 4. Maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now." [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

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Anything involving government really. This is the decades old "starve the beast" [1] mindset. Let's make sure government is absolutely ineffective at every step of the way, and then later point out how ineffective the government is and propose an even more ineffective, under-resourced government. It's a vicious cycle, and a self-fulfilled prophecy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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> what's the evidence that this derailment had anything to do with the attempted rail workers strike? AFAIK, the primary issue there was sick leave--and, generally, a more humane work schedule. The workers had many other complaints, including companies forcing workers to drive dangerously long trains with a single person staffing it. That seems absolutely relevant when you have a train car burning and nobody notices.

If you drive a vehicle knowing it is unsafe shouldn't you refuse? Any other vehicle and we would hold the worker accountable for not refusing such a negligent order. The news articles about the rail workers complaining it was unsafe seems to show they are complicit as they continued operating in unsafe conditions anyway.

the legislation last year forcing an end to the labor dispute meant that rail workers stopping work had no legal protection. the railway labor act makes it illegal to stop work before exhausting a lengthy dispute process

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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This might be an unpopular opinion, but the speed at which this story has overtaken social media has made me skeptical. That coupled with the fact that the story practically doesn't exist in mainstream media. And in this case I just don't buy the whole "lamestream" media narrative. The mainstream media was all over the water crisis in Flint, Michigan. There's no reason they wouldn't be interested in giving more cover…

It's not a conspiracy. The amplified version of the story originated from Chinese state media as a direct response to the balloon story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64633990

> At the same time, state media has begun focusing on a different narrative - a derailed train carrying hazardous material in Ohio.

> Though the incident happened in early February, Chinese news outlets are now devoting significant coverage on the topic, citing US media reports. US officials have performed a controlled release of toxic chemicals from the train to prevent contamination.

> It has since become a significant talking point on social media. On Weibo, China's equivalent to Twitter, the main Ohio train hashtag has been viewed more than 690 million times since the weekend, with more than 40 hashtags created on the topic.

> Many Chinese netizens have expressed worry that the incident would turn into a global environmental crisis, and anger over the relatively sparser coverage of the train incident in US media compared to the balloons.

> "Turns out the Wandering Balloon was being used to take the heat for Ohio," a post liked nearly 3,000 times reads.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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post #297

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Always remember to mind the y-axis and scale when looking at and thinking about graphs. They can be deceptive even without meaning to. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=grow+wary&year...

I'm not sure what your point is, since you looked at the vanishingly uncommon phrase alone, giving the false impression of popularity.

You said it's not a thing. It is, in fact, a thing. I've heard it and said it often enough to be sure it's not so uncommon that it's reasonable to say it's not a thing.

You also need to keep in mind what Google Ngram is.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/info

>> "When you enter phrases into the Google Books Ngram Viewer, it displays a graph showing how those phrases have occurred in a corpus of books (e.g., "British English", "English Fiction", "French") over the selected years."

It's a collection of books. Books remain relevant, but it tells you nothing of usage outside that. You only have to run a search on Google to see that it's used in a wide range of unrelated contexts. It's not some obscure anachronism or regionalism.

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