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BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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Re: BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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Where did you get 40%? The proportion of scheduled castes is somewhere in the mid-20s, you only get into the mid- to high-30s if you include "Other Backwards Castes," who aren't Dalits but are able to make a general case that they were low on the status hierarchy historically. But, cynically, that whole framework is mostly just a way for the numerically large smallholder classes to create reservations, that were orig…

Do you think there is a rise in fascist actions and rhetoric in India? And that the majority of Indians are threatened by this? Thanks for correcting me on OBC and Dalits. The framework is definitely problematic. And it adds another layer of complexity to racial, religious, and economic demographics. Thanks for prompting me to learn more about this. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/06/29/attitudes-ab...

I would hesitate to characterize everything happening as fascist since that's a loaded term and I think it brings in a lot of baggage when transposed cross-culturally that confuses more than it clears up. I think there has been a rise in extremism and political violence that is largely, but not exclusively, driven by the hard right. And I think Modi has a particularly callous, realpolitik approach to governance that enflames social tensions and imposes burdens on marginalized members of society in pursuit of a "development and superpower status at any cost" agenda.

But I don't think it's accurate to say the majority of Indians are threatened by this. The BJP enjoys fairly strong support among Dalit communities (about 40% in the last election IIRC), with a decent amount of the remainder voting for Dalit organized political parties due to communal affiliation rather than categorical opposition to the BJP as a party. The party as a whole is not minoritarian or fringe (though it has such factions within it), and the attempts by English language media to treat them as a sort of pariah government will backfire.

The party's attacks on civil society are troubling and, while, the presence of roving goon squads running around terrorizing people over random slights didn't start with them (and is usually more by junior local parties like the Shiv Sena), their selective approach to meting out justice and slow-rolling investigations has begun to normalize this behavior. This will only mean further ratcheting up of communal tensions across the country and making the social trust and cohesive political culture necessary for democratic institutions to work more brittle.

But all that said, they don't seem to really be engaged in the kinds of election rigging we see from right-wing parties in other countries with creeping authoritarian movements (like the USA). They actually win fair elections straight up, without leaning on counter-majoritarian institutions or voter suppression schemes like our own GOP rely on. Nor do they engage in the same extent of corrupt, clientelist political organization that the opposition Congress Party is dependent on (there is plenty of corruption, but it's India and we apply a normalized scale). I think a lot of the English language commentary on Indian politics has trouble grappling with the fact that this is a political party with a broad-base of popular support across the country. They try to cast it as a minority faction that is playing unfairly, characterized by its most lunatic fringe elements, but that is simply not the case. It's a mainstream institution with serious statespeople in it that mostly engages in consensus-seeking approaches to enacting policy.

I also don't really think the BJP is in the driver's seat with the ratcheting up of rhetoric and political violence as much as it is victim of some sort of societal radicalization loop as everyone else (though Modi, and particularly some of the goons under him, are a bit of an accelerant). I think the conflicts about national identity is a predictable consequence of globalization and a colossal generation of poor and rural communities being fast-tracked into structured, urban, capitalist lifestyles and all the social dislocation that brings.

You actually see the same kinds of hardening of identity lines and empowering of regressive and conservative elements across all religious groups in India. It's just that the Muslims and Christians aren't numerous enough to push that agenda as effectively in the political arena. But internally Muslim and Christian communities in India have also begun to adopt more fundamentalist and hardline approaches to practice. Many of the traditional, indigenous Indian Christian traditions are losing ground to more aggressively evangelical Churches (largely bankrolled by American missionaries). The traditionally syncretic Islamic traditions in India have become increasingly strict. Even the vaguely atheistic, educated secularist set is enamored of Marxism and other dogmatic ideological positions. It's an endemic social disease that seems to be even worse in India than it is here.

The size of the Hindu population creates a disparity in power dynamics in a democratic country that makes the same tendency extra problematic. But characterizing this as just being a "Hindu" thing is missing the underlying driving force and mistaking a symptom for the disease. The pluralist country of my youth, where everyone was kind of loosey-goosey about these boundaries seems to be gone. I just hope this is some sort of temporary mania brought on by all the social dislocation I mentioned and not the new status quo.

Re: BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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I thought Modi is proud of his role in the riots and his followers know all this anyway?

he has cultivated an anti-muslim strongman persona - which started largely at the 2002 Gujarat anti-muslim riots

yeah I know that, but everyone and his supporters already know that? and he’s almost proud of it

bjp is hindutva

he should be proud about what the documentary showed… but then I didn’t actually see it

Re: BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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The Streisand effect :) I agree - there is nothing in the documentary about Modi and the BJP that has not been hashed out dozens of times before. Its all the more surprise that it is getting suppressed, which will lead to people watching it even more than if it was ignored. The BJP is media savvy, but using the Indian bureaucracy and especially the Tax department to score points is clumsy.

> The BJP is media savvy, but using the Indian bureaucracy and especially the Tax department to score points is clumsy. Clumsy? This is Amit Shah's standard playbook. Remember how many prominent Congress leaders were arrested for tax evasion.

Amit Shah using the Tax department or the Enforcement Directorate as tools is clumsy because it makes it obvious that it is a hatchet job.

BJP's social media attacks on Rahul Gandhi and the Congress are effective because they seem to be more organic.

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I'm Chinese. I'm not commenting on Russia but please keep China out of "trivially easy to prove that the West is better for its own citizens". Chinese citizen have been found to be far more satisfied with their government and their future prospects than for example the US. This "propaganda"-sounding fact is even something found by western institutions such as Harvard, York University and Democracy Perception Index! E…

> keep China out of "trivially easy to prove that the West is better for its own citizens" China has concentration camps.

... In these camps, do they pull kids from their parents by the thousands, make them drink water out of the toilet, give them tin foil blankets to sleep under - and then "lose track" of them completely? All contracted out at ridiculous rates to private companies, which can't be inspected even by government officials?

Re: BBC offices in India raided by tax officials amid Modi documentary fallout

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Ha there is no way that 99% of the world population know what to do with those links / hashes / whatever they are.

They'll obviously have better luck with them than with BBC iPlayer, for which they would need the knowledge and ability to set up a British VPN.

Agree. I don't want to use a free VPN, and I don't want to oay for VPN. I also want to own my copy.

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While this is a major misstep in my opinion, I think there is a major imbalance in reputable media in the world. We need more non-Western sources of media that are respected. People are realizing, as in this case, that Western countries have skeletons in their cupboards too, and will stop respecting Western media establishments. Imagine China sanctioning the US for treating black people with impunity.

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I somewhat disagree. To me, it looks like many countries are trying to diverge from the sphere of influence of the US, and US doesn’t want that happening. When the big media portrays every other country as dangerous, authoritarian, etc., it’s always interesting to seek for motivation behind the claims. As a quick example, Brooklyn is much more dangerous than pretty much anywhere in Moscow. I can’t imagine NYTimes or…

I was curious about that stat on crime rates in Moscow vs Brooklyn but I can’t find any evidence that it is true. In 2022 there were 138 homicides in Brooklyn which comes out to 4.98 homicides per 100k residents. In comparison in Moscow Oblast there were 6.9 homicides per 100k residents (in 2017, which is the latest year I can find information for this stat). So at least by homicides, Moscow seems more dangerous.

And in only one of those cities are you at risk of being drafted as cannon fodder.

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> The answer is twofold: China isn't a dictatorship, and you can't reason about all countries using this dictatorship-vs-democracy dichotomy. Can I complain about the man in charge? If I go to social media and I post that I hate the bear, what happens? :-) For comparison purposes, on a daily basis, Klaus Iohannis (the Romanian president) can fill his fridge with meat, as we say in Romanian (I'll let you figure out fr…

The ability to criticize the president is not what's important here, and in fact a focus on that as being some sort of golden metric is also another hurdle in properly understanding China. This is part of the typical "dictatorship-vs-democracy" dichotomy thought that I'm criticizing for not being a good fit for China. Concretely: yes in China there is censorship, and yes you can't just criticize the president. Howeve…

Censorship is one thing, but then I read reports of things like this: https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/26/father-of-chinese-ink-girl...

Personally, I could not tolerate living in a country where I have to watch what I say out of fear of me and my family ending up in prison for years. (Or in an internment camp, depending on my ethnicity.) Perhaps your Australian didn’t think they had anything interesting to speak out about; if they did, they might be singing a different tune.

By the way, a decade ago, Russian leadership suggested that Russia was a “democracy with Russian attributes,” and that it had to be understood on its own terms. Of course, it was just a convenient fig leaf for the erosion of freedoms and consolidation of power happening behind the scenes. We can all see where Russia is today.

I am glad Chinese people are still able to affect policy, but I wonder how long that will last. If there is a war with Taiwan, will the government tolerate dissent? I think not.

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While this is a major misstep in my opinion, I think there is a major imbalance in reputable media in the world. We need more non-Western sources of media that are respected. People are realizing, as in this case, that Western countries have skeletons in their cupboards too, and will stop respecting Western media establishments. Imagine China sanctioning the US for treating black people with impunity.

This is an awful take. Western media covers scandals in western governments regularly. You could also always check out Al Jazeera, if you know what their slant is on middle east coverage.

Also comparing anything going on in the US for the last 60 years to the genocide happening in Xinjiang is ridiculous on its face.

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> If you're interested, you can get it (legally) in the UK here And if you happen to be belong to the rest of the ~99.13% world population, you can grab it here: Episode 1 - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3C378A82CF67A1107523CA6C647077403A1EF74D&dn=India+The+Modi+Question+S01E01+1080p+HDTV+H264-DARKFLiX&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A…

The two parts appear to be on Rumble [1][2] It seems that yt-dlp [3] works with Rumble so you don't even have to visit the site. [1] - https://rumble.com/v26y14s-india-the-modi-question-part-1-by... [829.13MiB via yt-dlp] [2] - https://rumble.com/v271ob0-india-the-modi-question-part-2-by... [341.35MiB via yt-dlp] [3] - https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp.git

What is this website rumble? Never heard of it
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