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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by johndevor »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128
Julesman wrote: post #108

I see a lot of these responses starting with "The reason." I don't see many people talking about institutional bias. I don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage while the media is stuck on shooting down balloons. I don't see many people talking about the fact that if this was anywhere close to wealthy people that it would have been headline news. I don't see many talking about the abso…

> don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage Oh my god this is the only thing people are talking about. Please don’t do this. Let’s talk about the actual disaster instead of spinning up another useless whirlpool of meta-debate.

The NYT does not have this barely at all. There should be a giant picture of the mushroom cloud on their front page to reflect the severity (potential or real) of the situation. It's shameful.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by lm28469 »

xadhominemx wrote: post #161
realce wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you would feel fine having your kids live their day-to-day in this area? Would you buy a house 1 mile away from the epicenter?

Ya. It’s easy to measure the contamination and the spilled products have very short half lives in the air/soil. I would probably want to monitor my well water for a little while if I were in the immediate vicinity.

> It’s easy to measure the contamination

Can you elaborate on how you'd do that ? Don't tell me you'd trust the official line, given the track record it's not a viable option

Same for well water ? Can you get a same day reading on it ? What would you do in the meantime ? Wouldn't it be too late by the time you get the air results ?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by irrational »

gruez wrote: post #85
perihelions wrote: post #7

- "On Sunday, the EPA released a list, written by Norfolk Southern, of the toxic chemicals that were in the derailed cars. In addition to vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate, it mentions ethylhexyl acrylate, which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems in people exposed to it; as well as isobutylene, which can make people dizzy and drowsy." This is anodyne phrasing that omits the lede, which is that this…

>Another notable diff is that ABC describes ethylhexyl acrylate as a "carcinogen", linking to a CDC page as a cite The linked CDC source doesn't really definitively say it's a carcinogen. The exact quote is "potential occupational carcinogen as defined by the OSHA carcinogen policy [29 CFR 1990]". Also, it's worth noting that the page is for "Ethyl acrylate", not "ethylhexyl acrylate". A google search for "ethylhexyl…

Presumably we will have positive data on whether it is carcinogenic or not in a few years/decades as we watch what happens to the people In Ohio.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by aftbit »

schainks wrote: post #151

If you're in the Ohio river basin, I recommend you install reverse osmosis and carbon filters on your tap water, which will effectively filter nearly all vinyl chloride. Ventilate rooms where you shower before / afterwords to ensure contaminated vapor doesn't stick around.

Cincinnati Water Works uses granular activated carbon filtration already, and plans to shut the Ohio River water intakes during the period of maximum contamination (anticipated some time next week). Given that water demand is below peak in the winter (nobody watering yards or washing cars etc), the water in towers and reservoirs will likely be enough to last through the worst part of the plume. I believe they have 3 days of water during peak times, so likely more like 5.

Source: chatting with a waterworks engineer after a tour of antique steam engine water pumps. They ran into the 60s! https://cincinnatitriplesteam.org/

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by weakfish »

steviedotboston wrote: post #89
shadowgovt wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people are so upset is because they watched a smoke plume reach all the way to the cloud layer. That's it. That's the whole story. The average citizen's grasp of the medical risks of chemicals is basically negligible. But a smoke plume that reaches all the way to the cloud layer makes everyone ask questions about things they didn't care about 3 weeks ago.

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Can you source this claim or is it just your projection of the situation? This doesn’t read as empirical.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #130
Julesman wrote: post #108

I see a lot of these responses starting with "The reason." I don't see many people talking about institutional bias. I don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage while the media is stuck on shooting down balloons. I don't see many people talking about the fact that if this was anywhere close to wealthy people that it would have been headline news. I don't see many talking about the abso…

> I don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage while the media is stuck on shooting down balloons. I’ve seen hundreds of comments and posts with this sentiment on Reddit, including some that made it to the top of r/all. Usually they say something like “why aren’t major media outlets covering this?” while linking to CNN or CBS or some other major media outlet that is in fact covering the…

It was the better part of a week before it got any coverage beyond local news. That's what people are pissed off about.

It probably wouldn't have gotten the coverage it did as quick as it did if some uppity cop didn't rough up some uppity reporter giving the media an axe to grind.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

johndevor wrote: post #181
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage Oh my god this is the only thing people are talking about. Please don’t do this. Let’s talk about the actual disaster instead of spinning up another useless whirlpool of meta-debate.

The NYT does not have this barely at all. There should be a giant picture of the mushroom cloud on their front page to reflect the severity (potential or real) of the situation. It's shameful.

> should be a giant picture of the mushroom cloud on their front page to reflect the severity (potential or real) of the situation

It was front page on Bloomberg. I admit I didn’t click on it. To the degree this is of urgent national concern, it’s in a rail safety bill we have months to debate.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by sschueller »

lm28469 wrote: post #168
xadhominemx wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not a carcinogen in the air. They evacuated the town while they performed the controlled burn, but now the combustion products (not really carcinogens) have dispersed and it’s safe to return.

Just like 911's ground zero was safe ;) nothing to see, move along, uh what cancers are you talking about ?? you must be imagining it

There was an asbestos ad [1] featuring the twin towers. How can one expect the air to be safe after we know what asbestos does to you.

[1] https://preview.redd.it/8cf7ufrnxlw31.jpg?auto=webp&v=enable...

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by ng12 »

johndevor wrote: post #181
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't see a lot of people talking about this disaster getting no coverage Oh my god this is the only thing people are talking about. Please don’t do this. Let’s talk about the actual disaster instead of spinning up another useless whirlpool of meta-debate.

The NYT does not have this barely at all. There should be a giant picture of the mushroom cloud on their front page to reflect the severity (potential or real) of the situation. It's shameful.

I cancelled my NYT sub over the pandemic. I felt dirty supporting them even for just the word games.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Post by aftbit »

passwordoops wrote: post #24
vorpalhex wrote: post #3

NBC suit and mask is starting to go from "crazy prepper territory" to sane supply keeping.

That a "Doomsday Preppers: Where are they now?" follow-up sequel has not yet been produced is highly disappointing

I thought about the one who was worried about a flu pandemic all through 2020. I wonder if she stayed as paranoid, and how long she managed to avoid getting COVID.
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