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Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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No. The problem is how they treat the elections like a popularity contest without regard to how it affects them or their quality of life. It sucks how this will affect them. It really does. However, these are the consequences for voting in people who don't give a shit about you in the slightest.

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Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Oh wow. Well that probably means it happened before?

Lots of people saw this coming. This isn't a surprise, but it is horrifying. The safety concerns were a large part of the railroad workers union's complaints a few months ago, which was squashed by the US gov. All the corners have been cut to extract more value for shareholders, and there's nothing left to squeeze out.

I take it that nobody is thinking sabotage?

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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> which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems.... can make people dizzy and drowsy I also love this phrasing that talks about the immediate uncomfortable reactions, but makes no mention on the extremely serious long-term implications of exposure. These chemicals won't just make you feel unpleasant in the moment, they'll kill you in the long run.

> can make people dizzy and drowsy LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. phosgene was also part of the release when Ohio decided a "controlled burn" of the vinyl chloride was somehow a good idea. the plume could be seen from commercial flights. honest to god the damage control media outlets are attempting in the midst…

No need for a conspiracy when the spy balloons (Jan 28th) and Turkish earthquake (Jan 6) happened concurrently (Feb 3 initial derailment, Feb 6 for giant black smoke from controlled release).

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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That would be great if it were true, unfortunately railway accidents are merely a reality of transporting dangerous chemicals hundreds of times per day. If we want to blame the railroad union not getting any time off or sick leave, there are no secret cabals of the rich - that is purely the white house.

> If we want to blame the railroad union not getting any time off or sick leave A huge part of what they were striking over were safety concerns. Maximum train lengths, minimum crew sizes (did you know trains can be run by a single person and the government has no issue with that?), and required maintenance were all things the union was fighting for, and were all totally ignored by good old union joe. > there are no…

> did you know trains can be run by a single person and the government has no issue with that?

So, let's add additional regulation and oversight. Let's just make sure we vote in people who want to add additional regulation and oversight. I'm sure American's vote this way... next time.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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I think this comment is referring to the govt blocking the rail workers from taking collective action against the private companies.

and what does that have to do with the crash?

The demands of the union included a lot of increased safety precautions.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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Train derailments are the latest conspiracy theory for tinfoil hats right now. I guess food processing plant fires fell out of vogue. "nO oNe iS rEpOrTiNg aBoUt tHiS" cries the conspiracy theorist reporting about the incident using screencaps from news reports.

It's not completely unreported but compare it to the few balloons you guys popped in the last week that made international news it's weird. Especially since these balloons are 99.9% mass hysteria

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_la... > "The rise of precision scheduled railroading has resulted in resource and staffing cuts; to compensate railroad companies have enacted strict attendance policies for employees. These policies eliminate any free time which workers have, requiring them to be effectively on-call for weeks at a time. Workers have complained of increased levels of stress an…

> "The rise of precision scheduled railroading has resulted in resource and staffing cuts; to compensate railroad companies have enacted strict attendance policies for employees. These policies eliminate any free time which workers have, requiring them to be effectively on-call for weeks at a time. Workers have complained of increased levels of stress and fatigue." My brother went to a recruiting drive last year for…

Working on the railroads is one of those professions in the US traditionally done by slaves or near-slaves. Just like agricultural work, food service, cleaning, and household help.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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> LMFAO vinyl chloride is a multi-organ carcinogen...its literally one of the quickest ways to stage 4 right up there with Benzene exposure. No it’s not

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/s... > Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia. If there's some fact in the parent comment which is in dispute could you please be a bit more clear about what it is? This is a ve…

Don’t chide me. Parent comment is ridiculous and harmful fearmongering and hyperbole. Read your own link - there is no mention of carcinogenicity* from acute exposure and environmental a biological persistence is very low. I would be more concerned if I spent a career in a vinyl chloride production facility without proper ppe.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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- "On Sunday, the EPA released a list, written by Norfolk Southern, of the toxic chemicals that were in the derailed cars. In addition to vinyl chloride and butyl acrylate, it mentions ethylhexyl acrylate, which can cause headaches, nausea, and respiratory problems in people exposed to it; as well as isobutylene, which can make people dizzy and drowsy." This is anodyne phrasing that omits the lede, which is that this…

In general, there's no particular need to make the list of chemicals public. In the event of emergency, every container is stamped with one or two standard labels indicating the nature of the chemical threat and what firefighters need to do to address it; otherwise, it's as important to people as what's in the tractor-trailer in front of them on the highway.

It might be worth having a discussion about the fact that the way train right-of-ways came into being give municipalities little recourse if they feel the trains shouldn't be cutting through their towns in general, but given that they do, they're basically privately-owned highways and it's up to the owner what's on them.

Re: Health concerns grow in East Palestine, Ohio, after train derailment

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I've seen a ton of people acting like one of these events was intended to cover up the other. Usually people saying that the balloon shoot-downs were entirely manufactured and/or overblown to distract from the train derailment. I don't think that's likely... I think they're just both interesting stories happening at the same time, but the media can only have one "top story". The balloon stuff is fantastical and geopolitical, the toxic release is fantastical and environmental.
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