The fashion for passion
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#12So we should do the job we hate?
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#13Mike Row has been touting this philosphy for quite some time now: Don't Pursue Your Passion. Chase Opportunity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KF0AN4H3U8
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#14I forget where I read/heard it, but some of the best career advice I ever heard was (paraphrasing here): if you keep searching for the job you love you'll never be happy. Find a job you are, for the most part, tolerant of doing every day. There will always be ups and downs, but if you can't even face starting in the morning you're definitely going to spend life unhappy.
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#15Mike Row has been touting this philosphy for quite some time now: Don't Pursue Your Passion. Chase Opportunity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KF0AN4H3U8
Doing only things that you otherwise despise but which advance you somehow is also a way to a major depression, or some other mental injury. OTOH diving head-first into your passion and ignoring everything else, including such things as the need to earn a subsistence, is also a recipe for disaster in all but very few exceptional cases. I'd say there is a middle way, of doing something of what the opportunity pushes a…
> OTOH diving head-first into your passion and ignoring everything else, including such things as the need to earn a subsistence, is also a recipe for disaster in all but very few exceptional cases.
I think this presents a false dichotomy and isn't really what I tend to see in my generation in my country.
What I personally see is a generation of people who were brought up on "do what you love", "follow your passion", who then went on to study degrees in things they enjoyed (photographic art, english lit., contemporary dance, illustration, to name a few).
After 4 years of racking up tens of thousands of pounds worth of debt they all now work in call centres, warehouses, office administration. I.E, dead-end jobs that provide no passion. A number of them are being medically treated for anxiety & depression.
I think instead if of "Do / study / follow your passion" we taught the matra of "be practical, find a career that pays well, has room for learning new skills, challenges you in interesting ways but it might not be the thing you love dearest" would have lead my generation to study degrees or enter trades that provided a pathway for a rewarding career, both fiscally and mentally.
I'm passionate about computer science, but my real passion isn't writing middleware services for B2B customers. I do it because there's still interesting challenges, it's an outlet for my skillset and it pays well.
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#16"Most workers want to do a job they love" I forget where I read/heard it, but some of the best career advice I ever heard was (paraphrasing here): if you keep searching for the job you love you'll never be happy. Find a job you are, for the most part, tolerant of doing every day. There will always be ups and downs, but if you can't even face starting in the morning you're definitely going to spend life unhappy.
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#17I feel the topic of having a passion is becoming a contentious issue. When that investor letter to Google ceo came out, I unfortunately suggested that maybe for a company like Google, too high salaries would bring people in who "work for money and not passion". I never even dreamed of seeing so many people taking issue with what I said. Many were saying that it's just a job and people should not be passionate about G…
Everyone works for money. That's the deal. People rent their time in exchange for a salary. If it was actually enjoyable, it would be called a hobby not a job and people would be the one paying to do it.
I fail to see the link between that, the awfuly named "trend" of "quiet quiting" - doing what you are paid for is not quiting, it's just doing your job - and collective bargaining.
Seems to me that most people just want to do their job well without having to swallow gallons of company kool-aid while doing so, be allowed to take pride in what they do, be afforded an amount of trust and consideration befitting an adult and provided appropriate working conditions rather than being treated like cattle.
So basically go back to the seventies before the "modern" world decided to follow Reagan and Thatcher in their madness and self sabotage.
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#18"Most workers want to do a job they love" I forget where I read/heard it, but some of the best career advice I ever heard was (paraphrasing here): if you keep searching for the job you love you'll never be happy. Find a job you are, for the most part, tolerant of doing every day. There will always be ups and downs, but if you can't even face starting in the morning you're definitely going to spend life unhappy.
There are definitely things I love which I would classify as useful work. I can do them basically 16 hours a day. So while I would not say that this is bad advice in general, I think it definitely is dangerous advice for those with a passion. Why would you spend your life doing something else than what you know you love?
You could be a famous actor or a rockstar and still resent the fact you have to come in to dub over voices, do the press tour, or play the show that didn't sell out where the monitors don't work properly. You could love to code (I did!) and then burnout because your boss has forced you to work on something you hate, to hit the deadline that's unreal. You could be working for yourself and find it's absolutely not the easy life you thought it would be. It could be the thing you love doesn't provide the income that makes for a comfortable life. There's so many things.
I'm well aware (personally, anecdata, I know!) that passions can become a chore when you think that everything has to be monetised. Sometimes you should just do the thing because you love it.
Of course there will be exceptions, but I think the advice is good. Most people won't love their 'job'. Hang on to the advice of "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life" and you'll end up thinking the work that's actually fine really isn't and you'll end up unhappy where you are, or unhappy chasing an unattainable goal.
But hey, we're all different and this is just my 2c :-)
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are definitely things I love which I would classify as useful work. I can do them basically 16 hours a day. So while I would not say that this is bad advice in general, I think it definitely is dangerous advice for those with a passion. Why would you spend your life doing something else than what you know you love?
Whilst I don't disagree - there are definitely things I'm happy to do for 16 hours(!) - I think the point (at least based on my understanding) is more that you'll never love something all the time. You could be a famous actor or a rockstar and still resent the fact you have to come in to dub over voices, do the press tour, or play the show that didn't sell out where the monitors don't work properly. You could love to…
I know that in my line of work I can get passionate about plenty of ideas, but there's no real correlation between what keeps me going, and what clicks with a mass audience. One of the things that clicks with the mass audience is that I'm there seeking out really quirky, specialized things that might possibly result in something amazing.
In that sense the mass audience is more interested in me being passionate, than in every specific thing I'm being passionate about. Bit like a zoo. Watch the tiger code widgets! If the tiger codes an amazing, saleable widget, that's a real marketing story, but people will still be curious and watch even if the widgets don't suit them. If the tiger thinks every widget is gonna be a hit, he's going to burn out and quit in despair.
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#20"Most workers want to do a job they love" I forget where I read/heard it, but some of the best career advice I ever heard was (paraphrasing here): if you keep searching for the job you love you'll never be happy. Find a job you are, for the most part, tolerant of doing every day. There will always be ups and downs, but if you can't even face starting in the morning you're definitely going to spend life unhappy.