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They are private universities, why does it matter in the first place? Should Catholic seminaries be forced to admit islamic students? Jeff Bezos has a $150 million house in Los Angeles, should he be forced to allow the homeless to live there? There are a lot of other universities. But if we are going to be strict about it, then it should be strict. We have to look at the exact makeup of every single group of people i…

> They are private universities, why does it matter in the first place? It's not because something is private that suddenly no regulations apply. Regarding universities, I don't think the issue is that some category is over-represented, but the fairness of the admission process. That being said, with affirmative action, the admission process is already biased and isn't on academical merit alone.

>It's not because something is private that suddenly no regulations apply.

So you're saying that Catholic seminaries are required to admit muslims that want to become imams, and therefore the Catholic seminaries will be required to start a islamic department to train muslims to become imams? (rhetorical question).

So as far as the fairness of the admission process goes, all applicants should apply with no name, race, creed, or any type of way to identify who and where someone comes from? Do away with essays as they are super easy way to identify the background of an applicant? Pure test scores only?

I totally disagree with your saying that the issue isn't with some categories are over-represented. That's just not the case at all.

Re: Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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UC Berkeley in particular has embarrassed itself and the legacy of Free Speech by hissing, screaming attacks on several individuals in public, to drown out their voices. Combine that with other very active culture-wars elements (not mentioned now) and this grand institution is now wetting the bed, so to speak.

What is the solution? To limit the free speech of the ones doing the screaming?

Yes, actually. If they want to convey an idea, it's not onerous to ask them to not scream in the process. If they are doing it solely to intimidate, that's not protected free speech.

Re: Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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Could you write them or link to them too? Thanks.

Removal of the Queen's portrait > Postgraduate students at Magdalen College have voted to remove a portrait of the monarch based on a photograph by Dorothy Wilding, taken in 1952, at the time she was crowned. > The portrait, purchased in 2013 by students to decorate the Middle Common Room (MCR), the room that houses them, has been removed because it was an unwelcoming symbol of the UK's "recent colonial history". Som…

I don't think it's just imports, though. I remember doing a double take after seeing this:

https://archive.fo/XVGA8

Granted, there are certainly tankie students in US colleges - but they don't usually run official Twitter accounts of student societies endorsed by the college. It reminded me more of the kind of stuff Orwell was writing about the UK intelligentsia in 1945:

"The ordinary people in the street – partly, perhaps, because they are not sufficiently interested in ideas to be intolerant about them – still vaguely hold that ‘I suppose everyone’s got a right to their own opinion.’ It is only, or at any rate it is chiefly, the literary and scientific intelligentsia, the very people who ought to be the guardians of liberty, who are beginning to despise it, in theory as well as in practice. One of the peculiar phenomena of our time is the renegade Liberal. Over and above the familiar Marxist claim that ‘bourgeois liberty’ is an illusion, there is now a widespread tendency to argue that one can only defend democracy by totalitarian methods. If one loves democracy, the argument runs, one must crush its enemies by no matter what means. And who are its enemies? It always appears that they are not only those who attack it openly and consciously, but those who ‘objectively’ endanger it by spreading mistaken doctrines. In other words, defending democracy involves destroying all independence of thought."

So I think there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the Atlantic. ~

Re: Students suing elite U.S. colleges seek 'wealth favoritism' information

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To the people complaining about this: this is actually a very positive development that I welcome and you should too. This entire time, elite U.S. colleges have been carefully steering conversations about admissions in the direction of racial quotas, to avoid talking about how by far the largest driver of unfairness in the admissions process is legacy admissions and donation quid pro quo arrangements. If you want to…

I think there is an easy fix. If you accept Federal funds at all then you have to have a fair and open admissions process.

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I think for the same weird reason why people tend to be OK with top athletes making billions while they are upset at Gates and Bezos. Don’t ask me what it is.

Not many athletes making billions

Not many Bezos either
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