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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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> Conversion Therapy is abuse. This is exactly what a lot of supporters of Desantis would probably say about gender affirmation care for people with gender dysphoria. My point here is it just seems unlikely Desantis is the only governor that would ban books in schools. Conversion therapy is illegal in multiple states so putting those books in a student library would break the law so one might call that a ban. I would…

>This is exactly what a lot of supporters of Desantis would probably say about gender affirmation care for people with gender dysphoria. And? It's an ongoing debate that even I am unsure about and perhaps maybe they'll be vindicated one day. But conversion therapy is categorically abuse today . And for good reason. >I would be shocked if you could convince me there is a governor who would always decline to sign bills…

I gave examples of bans, the rest is politics, as I said. If you really were opposed to political book bans, which you aren't, you wouldn't be open to all sorts of unspeakable things being included in public schools.

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>after having me attest to being over 18. That is required by federal law. Same reason you have to attest to being over 18 on porn sites.

You're welcome to post said law but there a thousands of websites on the world wide web that host explicit images that don't require you to attest to being 18. This website is hosting censored cartoon images that weren't explicit in the first place.

There are dozens of laws, cases, court decisions, etc.: https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/966/harmful-to-mino...

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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>This is exactly what a lot of supporters of Desantis would probably say about gender affirmation care for people with gender dysphoria. And? It's an ongoing debate that even I am unsure about and perhaps maybe they'll be vindicated one day. But conversion therapy is categorically abuse today . And for good reason. >I would be shocked if you could convince me there is a governor who would always decline to sign bills…

I gave examples of bans, the rest is politics, as I said. If you really were opposed to political book bans, which you aren't, you wouldn't be open to all sorts of unspeakable things being included in public schools.

>I gave examples of bans

This is all you wrote:

* Gov. Newsom banned remedial classes being taught at community colleges.

- not banned books and I explained the issues with your claim in another comment.

* Conversion Therapy has been banned and attempted to be banned by many states in particular in public schools.

- not about banned books

* Bibles being banned by school districts.

- I found one example of a technical battle in one school district in Texas which seems to be more about the larger message/battle over the written law in Texas. Besides this weird case I see no others. Do you have any sources or examples?

Aside from that one weird case I've found (which isn't a democrat or a governor banning books mind you it's a local matter over technicalities), I've seen no citations or specific claims of any kind.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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I gave examples of bans, the rest is politics, as I said. If you really were opposed to political book bans, which you aren't, you wouldn't be open to all sorts of unspeakable things being included in public schools.

>I gave examples of bans This is all you wrote: * Gov. Newsom banned remedial classes being taught at community colleges. - not banned books and I explained the issues with your claim in another comment. * Conversion Therapy has been banned and attempted to be banned by many states in particular in public schools. - not about banned books * Bibles being banned by school districts. - I found one example of a technical…

This law https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&Sessi... bans conversion therapy material in schools by guidance counselors. That state also established a policy for the mandatory sex education curriculum recently. It bans conversion therapy material being taught because it is not evidence based or inclusive.

There's a lot of states that have banned it besides that one. Do I care? no, not particularly. This is the Florida "book ban" law which is actually an "instructional material" ban. https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?F... Not a general book ban which would likely be unconstitutional.

The original objection raised here was that the governor is taking powers he doesn't have was it not? Specifics of one state's constitution aside, if a governor of one state can decide what is taught, why can't a governor of another?

As I said, banning material or requiring material is something both parties do or would do.

I also remembered there is a california school district that banned "To Kill a Mockingbird" recently for racism.

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> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.” > “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of…

One crucial detail to note with the research showing diversity improves company performance: Asians were categorized as diverse in these studies. But in all the DEI initiatives I've seen, Asians were either non-diverse and in some they were "negative diversity" and treated even worse than whites. So there's a mismatched between the definitions of diversity used in research and used in DEI discrimination.

Ed: I'm just going to keep creating accounts and reposting this dang, you can remove it as much as you like but I will never stop. This is a false statement, and considering you have no clue what studies I'm citing, completely speculative.

Here, I challenge you to be specific in your criticism:

> Along all dimensions measured, the more similar the investment partners, the lower their investments’ performance. For example, the success rate of acquisitions and IPOs was 11.5% lower, on average, for investments by partners with shared school backgrounds than for those by partners from different schools. The effect of shared ethnicity was even stronger, reducing an investment’s comparative success rate by 26.4% to 32.2%. [0]

> Increased diversity in the healthcare workforce helps reduce or eliminate racial health disparities, according to a 2014 meta-analysis of 25 studies. [1]

> A large-scale study of all Texas schools reveals diversity’s impact in public education systems. They find student performance most-improved when there was greater management diversity, and a closer racial match (representation) between management and student. [2]

> Most of the sixteen reviews matching inclusion criteria demonstrated positive associations between diversity, quality and financial performance. Healthcare studies showed patients generally fare better when care was provided by more diverse teams. Professional skills-focused studies generally find improvements to innovation, team communications and improved risk assessment. Financial performance also improved with increased diversity. A diversity-friendly environment was often identified as a key to avoiding frictions that come with change. [3]

> Our latest report shows not only that the business case remains robust but also that the relationship between diversity on executive teams and the likelihood of financial outperformance has strengthened over time. These findings emerge from our largest data set so far, encompassing 15 countries and more than 1,000 large companies. By incorporating a “social listening” analysis of employee sentiment in online reviews, the report also provides new insights into how inclusion matters. It shows that companies should pay much greater attention to inclusion, even when they are relatively diverse. [4]

> Using data from the 1996 to 1997 National Organizations Survey, a national sample of for-profit business organizations, this article tests eight hypotheses derived from the value-in-diversity thesis. The results support seven of these hypotheses: racial diversity is associated with increased sales revenue, more customers, greater market share, and greater relative profits. [5]

[0] https://hbr.org/2018/07/the-other-diversity-dividend

[1] https://www.ucdenver.edu/docs/librariesprovider68/default-do...

[2] https://academic.oup.com/jpart/article/15/4/615/991022

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30765101/

[4] https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc...

[5] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/000312240907400203

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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>I gave examples of bans This is all you wrote: * Gov. Newsom banned remedial classes being taught at community colleges. - not banned books and I explained the issues with your claim in another comment. * Conversion Therapy has been banned and attempted to be banned by many states in particular in public schools. - not about banned books * Bibles being banned by school districts. - I found one example of a technical…

This law https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&Sessi... bans conversion therapy material in schools by guidance counselors. That state also established a policy for the mandatory sex education curriculum recently. It bans conversion therapy material being taught because it is not evidence based or inclusive. There's a lot of states that have banned it besides that one. Do I care? no, not particularly…

> The original objection raised here was that the governor is taking powers he doesn't have was it not?

No one ever said that. This is not a discussion of gubernatorial powers. Just what is right/wrong.

Re: to kill a mocking bird you are mistaken. That was parents complaining and forcing the school to remove it from the curriculum. It is still available for students to check out. Not the governor, not removed from the school. Do I think it’s stupid and shortsighted? Absolutely. But it is not what we are talking about.

Where are these bible bans you were talking about?

Seems you also abandoned your claims about Newsom banning remedial classes given real context.

Frankly it feels like you’re just throwing a bunch of claims at the wall until something sticks, despite still having not proven basically anything you claimed is happening. A lot of “I heard that…” type stuff. The closest you’ve come are out of context, not as you described, or straight up irrelevant.

Either way this has gone on long enough. I’m done. Have a good one.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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This is the sort of thing that confounds me. It proports to be anti racist but it's the opposite, it treats minorities as a special lesser class that require protection from everyone else. It's the civil rights movement in reverse. It's already started bleeding into the workspace with mandatory training and verbiage that essentially says anything you do in your interactions with a minority if they accuse you of anyth…

> It proports to be anti racist but it's the opposite, it treats minorities as a special lesser class that require protection from everyone else.

No, mandatory DEI statements (statements about how a person has and/or plans to advance the institutions diversity goals through their work) do not treat minorities as lesser or needing “protection”.

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