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GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vortext »

input_sh wrote: post #47
kneebonian wrote: post #18

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You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.

The Teams desktop client on Linux has been retired.

https://www.omglinux.com/the-official-microsoft-teams-app-fo...

https://office365itpros.com/2022/09/19/teams-pwa-linux-clien...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

mgkimsal wrote: post #222
rhaway84773 wrote: post #189

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Besides O365 the rest are not even the same thing. If half your company is on Teams, and half is on Slack, they can’t communicate with each other. Mandating a single communication platform is absolutely the right move. And the fact that MS picked Teams as that single communication platform is beyond obvious. What else could they have chosen?

> Mandating a single communication platform is absolutely the right move Is it, even if there will be productivity losses? Is making your teams less productive "absolutely the right move"?

Yes!

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by no_pomegranates »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

Compared to Slack, it has much worse responsiveness, message editing, and search. It feels like there is 500ms latency on every click. I have a bunch of individual, detailed gripes with the message editing. And I'm generally not pleased with the quality of the search results.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by 1123581321 »

samiru wrote: post #196
revscat wrote: post #147

To everyone at GitHub: I’m so sorry. I don’t mean this in a clever way, either. Teams is awful and it will make your lives worse to one degree or another.

I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

I work with multiple organizations so have opportunity to use Teams and Zoom calls regularly. When using both regularly it's hard to start thinking that Teams is just fine. It seems like I might start to think Teams is fine if I only used Teams, but that would just be my standards lowering, not something I want to happen.

Zoom has issues as well but I don't regularly get to use better services than Zoom.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by tristor »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #266
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

>> but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does It has good outlook calendar integration; joining from a single click in my calendar view is much nicer than having to open the occurrence & find the zoom link.

Zoom and WebEx both have this if you install the plugins, as well.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by dragonwriter »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

> What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat

Poor discoverability of, basically, everything, paste doesn’t support standard options like pasting text only without formatting, so cutting and pasting from format documents takes either manual format correction or using a third app to paste without formatting and the cut again to avoid the ransom-note look. Formatting that supports Markdown entry (kind of), but only Word-style WYSIWIG editing. Teams text chat is a major let down coming from, say, Slack.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by FinalBriefing »

wvenable wrote: post #218
jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

It's so weird -- I use Teams all the time and I've never had a serious problem with it. It's not the greatest software ever made but it's certainly functional. It's definitely getting a lot of work done to it.

On a Mac, I got stuck in some sort of loop that prevented me from joining any calls, and even uninstalling the Teams app didn’t fix it. I had to use my iPhone for every Teams call, and sometimes the Teams web app.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by killjoywashere »

I don’t know much about Teams (we’re a Google Workspace/Meet shop) but I know they are selling all sorts of crazy access rights packages because any given Teams group I meet with, if they send the invite, it’s a different connection experience. You need an account. You need an account on their domain. You don’t need an account, but you need a guest account. You need your own account with Microsoft. You need a user name. You don’t need a username. It works on my phone, or not. It works in the browser, or not. It works in the desktop app, or not.

What. The. Hell?!

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by macintux »

fcoury wrote: post #124
cyberge99 wrote: post #105

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They don’t even have something as simple as a key combo to mute and other basic functionality (macos).

I am not trying to defend Teams, I hate it. But Cmd+Shift+M does that on Teams on macOS.

I was forced to memorize that keyboard shortcut because for the last several weeks Teams will randomly stop recognizing mouse clicks.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by dragonwriter »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #266
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

>> but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does It has good outlook calendar integration; joining from a single click in my calendar view is much nicer than having to open the occurrence & find the zoom link.

Yeah, “seamless integration with other Microsoft products” is a pretty big exception, I will admit.
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