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Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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I would guess a lot of things scare this guy. He's a clickbait youtuber who does simple stuff and tries to make it sound profound.

That's a pretty reductive (and needlessly negative) characterisation of a YouTuber who does a great job of finding pretty random science tidbits all around the globe and making short, to-the-point videos about them.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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Not an AI researcher, but share the feeling. This looks like industrialisation, except the things we’re going to automate the production of is what i was 100% sure was human’s core specificity : creative process under any form, and low-impact information production. Yet we’re living in the information age. Meaning, at least in the west, the majority of economical activities is going to be impacted and not in a pretty way.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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I am an AI researcher, and I wholeheartedly agree with Tom here. I love AI, I love designing and training models and seeing all the amazing things they can do. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't scared. Like Tom, I have no idea where on the sigmoid curve we are, but I personally believe we're very near the beginning. I thought that becoming a practitioner in this field would make me less susceptible to making bi…

There's nothing intelligent in ChatGPT, it's just a text generator on steroids, web spammers have been using this sort of tools for years. It cannot generate new ideas, at the end it just regurgitates content

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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So, fellow HN users... where are we on the S curve?

I think we're right before the hockey stick, just like the days of Napster.

To use another analogy - The Industrial Revolution didn't make it possible to make screws, it made it possible to make a box of screws that you could sell for a dollar. Previously it took a skilled craftsman and time. No two were alike, and they tended to be individually stamped with a number so you could unscrew/rescrew things when you took something apart.

Someone in 1810 wouldn't want to buy cheap screws, the way forward would be able to own a lathe, planer, and make your own screws, and other hardware.

Similarly, my strategy right now is to try to find stuff I can use on my own computer, not something that Google can kill on a whim.

I've played with Stable-diffusion-ui, and found that for me, the main use would be to transform a rough (VERY rough) sketch of something into well illustrated picture.

I'll start playing with ChatGPT and the like when I can run them on my own hardware.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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post #9

I am an AI researcher, and I wholeheartedly agree with Tom here. I love AI, I love designing and training models and seeing all the amazing things they can do. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't scared. Like Tom, I have no idea where on the sigmoid curve we are, but I personally believe we're very near the beginning. I thought that becoming a practitioner in this field would make me less susceptible to making bi…

There's nothing intelligent in ChatGPT, it's just a text generator on steroids, web spammers have been using this sort of tools for years. It cannot generate new ideas, at the end it just regurgitates content

> It cannot generate new ideas.

I don't find very much substance in this argument, given how impossible it is to consistently define "new" and "idea" in this context. At the end of the day, ChatGPT demonstrates that AI models are making real progress towards convincing mimicry of human behavior. How it does it is of no concern to me, what is concerning is the fact that it does it at all.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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post #9

I am an AI researcher, and I wholeheartedly agree with Tom here. I love AI, I love designing and training models and seeing all the amazing things they can do. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't scared. Like Tom, I have no idea where on the sigmoid curve we are, but I personally believe we're very near the beginning. I thought that becoming a practitioner in this field would make me less susceptible to making bi…

There's nothing intelligent in ChatGPT, it's just a text generator on steroids, web spammers have been using this sort of tools for years. It cannot generate new ideas, at the end it just regurgitates content

You sound like someone who has either never tried chatgpt, or someone who’s so scared of the consequences that it prefers to put its head in the sand.

«just a text generator on steroid » is meaningless unless you define what « on steroid» means. It might as well describe a novelist’s activity or a programmer.

The ability to understand enough of the relationship between words and their associated concepts in chatgpt is good enough to produce meaningful and sometimes correct answers to a huge number of questions. This is far beyond « random », and can easily be described as an « intelligent » capacity.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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So, fellow HN users... where are we on the S curve? I think we're right before the hockey stick, just like the days of Napster. To use another analogy - The Industrial Revolution didn't make it possible to make screws, it made it possible to make a box of screws that you could sell for a dollar. Previously it took a skilled craftsman and time. No two were alike, and they tended to be individually stamped with a numbe…

I agree. We're just barely uncovering the tip of the iceberg right now. Everything we've seen up til now has been a proof-of-concept. The true scope of this field has yet to be realized.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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So, fellow HN users... where are we on the S curve? I think we're right before the hockey stick, just like the days of Napster. To use another analogy - The Industrial Revolution didn't make it possible to make screws, it made it possible to make a box of screws that you could sell for a dollar. Previously it took a skilled craftsman and time. No two were alike, and they tended to be individually stamped with a numbe…

Since AI isn't meaningfully involved in designing new AI yet (unsure if it will be), I'm not convinced we're on an S-curve let alone an exponential curve.

It seems closer to this: https://xkcd.com/605/

I'll concede there have been large breakthroughs, but to extrapolate from that there will be even larger breakthroughs (without a really solid account of why that would be) seems very sketchy. I get that the people who are trying to sell the idea to investors are pitching this line, but applying a modicum of critical thinking, that's relatively rarely how things work. Returns tend to diminish with the amount of effort put in, not exponentially increase.

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing intelligent in ChatGPT, it's just a text generator on steroids, web spammers have been using this sort of tools for years. It cannot generate new ideas, at the end it just regurgitates content

You sound like someone who has either never tried chatgpt, or someone who’s so scared of the consequences that it prefers to put its head in the sand. «just a text generator on steroid » is meaningless unless you define what « on steroid» means. It might as well describe a novelist’s activity or a programmer. The ability to understand enough of the relationship between words and their associated concepts in chatgpt i…

has ChatGTP created anything new? something that's is just not rewriting text?

Re: Tom Scott: I tried using AI. It scared me. [video]

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing intelligent in ChatGPT, it's just a text generator on steroids, web spammers have been using this sort of tools for years. It cannot generate new ideas, at the end it just regurgitates content

> It cannot generate new ideas. I don't find very much substance in this argument, given how impossible it is to consistently define "new" and "idea" in this context. At the end of the day, ChatGPT demonstrates that AI models are making real progress towards convincing mimicry of human behavior. How it does it is of no concern to me, what is concerning is the fact that it does it at all.

it doesn't generate new ideas, it just answers based on statistics, it will be more like a personal search assitant or a tool that helps people finding information
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