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Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by insane_dreamer »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #376
insane_dreamer wrote: post #216

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Is there a problem with thievery of apples, oranges, asparagus and beetroots? I don't have the numbers but I would bet money that most store thievery is cigarettes, alcohol, maybe sodas, and small electronics, pills at CVS, etc. So no, I don't think theft is the major factor.

Laundry detergent, baby milk powder are pretty popular if they aren’t locked up already. QFC in Capitol Hill had to lock up ice creams which is surprising to me since it can’t be fenced. Lego’s are popular at local neighborhood Targets, they were being fenced at Pike Place Market for awhile. I saw some lady buying up shop lifted paper towels on third and pine once when waiting for the bus (before they closed the stop…

Yes, but my point my OP was about the lack of grocery stores with healthier options -- i.e., fresh fruits and vegetables, etc. -- in lower income neighborhoods. Those are perishable and therefore much less of a target.

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by insane_dreamer »

elbigbad wrote: post #111
bitschubser_ wrote: post #90

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this is a very US centric view and problem... in other countries lower income does not correlate with no access to local grocery shopping school etc... a german newspaper did a great income analysis of german cities [1]. You really see the differentiation in income, but if you overlay (at least for the cities I looked at) it with a map even in the low income neighborhood you get decent grocery shopping in walking dis…

The article is about Seattle, which is currently a US city, so imho it’s reasonable to have a US-centric view of the problem.

> currently a US city

are there plans to secede to Canada? ;)

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #391
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #376

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Laundry detergent, baby milk powder are pretty popular if they aren’t locked up already. QFC in Capitol Hill had to lock up ice creams which is surprising to me since it can’t be fenced. Lego’s are popular at local neighborhood Targets, they were being fenced at Pike Place Market for awhile. I saw some lady buying up shop lifted paper towels on third and pine once when waiting for the bus (before they closed the stop…

Yes, but my point my OP was about the lack of grocery stores with healthier options -- i.e., fresh fruits and vegetables, etc. -- in lower income neighborhoods. Those are perishable and therefore much less of a target.

Yes, but perishables are more difficult to stock, so they still get neglected in lower income neighborhoods. But ya, unhoused neighbors aren’t shoplifting kale.

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #390
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #375

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No it’s not. My local grocery store has incidents hourly, heck, you can get lucky and see it for yourself where some guy just walks out with a basket full of stuff (security can’t really stop them given liability). If it were fabricated, we wouldn’t see it happen in person so much.

> (security can’t really stop them given liability) what does this mean? Isn't that the whole point of security?

Security is instructed not to physically restrain anyone, that is a power for the police alone. Because they can get sued.

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by adamsmith143 »

duxup wrote: post #74
adamsmith143 wrote: post #30

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You perfectly describe the Nimby mindset. > I like the idea of walking 15 minutes to get all the things. But >Heck I'd be annoyed if someone decides "Sorry we're rezoning / creating an incentive to build a restaurant in the plot next to you, not enough restaurants nearby. Good luck..." >But man when I think of the costs involved in making sure there is a High School (in the US they tend to be large and draw from a di…

I feel like people wield around “NIMBY” labels so that they don’t have to think about how to plan things.

Keep telling yourself that's the reason you don't want a high density development in your neighborhood. Because "planning"

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by Izikiel43 »

com2kid wrote: post #110
kenperkins wrote: post #39

Seattle is complex in this regard as the elevation changes between neighborhoods are an additional dimension. If I was living at the base of Lower Queen Anne and the "facilities" meeting the 15m criteria was at the top, that's not something I would consider a viable walk.

> Seattle is complex in this regard as the elevation changes between neighborhoods are an additional dimension. And then there is the socio-economic history of elevations in Seattle. tl;dr Historically poor people (and minorities) lived at the bottom of hills, rich people at the top. To this day, you can literally see houses get nicer as you go up hills. There are also neighborhoods with a hill in the middle where on…

You see this in Magnolia neighborhood, the east side is where all the renters live as that's where there are buildings, the further west you go, the more expensive it gets.

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by bitschubser_ »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #381
elbigbad wrote: post #111

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The article is about Seattle, which is currently a US city, so imho it’s reasonable to have a US-centric view of the problem.

I imagine the point is that what happens in the US isn't some inevitable state of things, it's the choices of US citizens, and they could look abroad to see counterexamples to their assumptions.

yeah it was meant in this direction... I lived and worked in Minneapolis and Boston and I don't get all the discussions why this segregation for livability, walkability etc is so prominent and by choice in the US compared to the cities in europe. I mean here you also have an separation by income (as indicated by the linked provided), but even the low income areas are livable and walkable and you have everything for your daily needs.

Re: Is Seattle a 15-minute city? It depends on where you want to walk

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Post by insane_dreamer »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #393
insane_dreamer wrote: post #391

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Yes, but my point my OP was about the lack of grocery stores with healthier options -- i.e., fresh fruits and vegetables, etc. -- in lower income neighborhoods. Those are perishable and therefore much less of a target.

Yes, but perishables are more difficult to stock, so they still get neglected in lower income neighborhoods. But ya, unhoused neighbors aren’t shoplifting kale.

> perishables are more difficult to stock, so they still get neglected in lower income neighborhoods

exactly, and this is a big part of the problem; we have no problem subsidizing corn for Ethanol, why can't we provide incentives that provide lower income people access to healthier food?

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