Clojure Turns 15 panel discussion video
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#2While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
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#3While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
I like Clojure, but unfortunately for web development, there isn't a great stack and for data science/ML/AI (which is a great fit for clojure), python dominates the market. What is the niche for Clojure, or why should keep using it in 2023?
P.S: I like it a lot, but either I do golang or ror for web dev, or python/pytorch for data sciences/AI stuff, C# for game development. I don't think i can get more productive with Clojure in any scenario, that I'm exposed too, what I'm missing?
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#4While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
Clojure is not a hobby language.
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#5While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
I'm intrigued, why do the PMs and such care? (I'm assuming EMs is Engineering Manager?)
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#6While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
I like Clojure, but unfortunately for web development, there isn't a great stack and for data science/ML/AI (which is a great fit for clojure), python dominates the market. What is the niche for Clojure, or why should keep using it in 2023? P.S: I like it a lot, but either I do golang or ror for web dev, or python/pytorch for data sciences/AI stuff, C# for game development. I don't think i can get more productive wit…
It is actually a great choice for unopinionated server-side web development.
Frontend development is simply awesome in ClojureScript. Give me Reagent + Shadow CLJS over plain React (or React Native) any day.
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#7I love Clojure the language but I’ve never seen a more fragmented ecosystem.
There seems to be a pattern in the language of “a problem emerges > a community solution gains traction > Cognitect develops their own solution but its weird and undocumented”, like deps.edn over leiningen, spec over malli, pedestal over ring, etc.
Many prominent clojurists recommend deps.edn over leiningen and socket repl over nrepl, but I’ve seen very little guidance on how either actually work or how to use them.
Spec seems kind of weird and not well thought out either.
And Clojure CLI tools also seem like a total shitshow compared to go or rust’s tooling.
As a result working with Clojure feels puzzling and unpleasant, and I feel hesitant to use any community library or project in the language.
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#8I tried Clojure, but when i look for a good ORM, what i see is a paid library.
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#9While I like Clojure as a language - I have never seen a language that engendered such hatred in PMs, EMs, sales, etc. I don't know that it survives long term (in industry, it'll survive for a long time as a hobby language.)
I like Clojure, but unfortunately for web development, there isn't a great stack and for data science/ML/AI (which is a great fit for clojure), python dominates the market. What is the niche for Clojure, or why should keep using it in 2023? P.S: I like it a lot, but either I do golang or ror for web dev, or python/pytorch for data sciences/AI stuff, C# for game development. I don't think i can get more productive wit…
> I like Clojure, but unfortunately for web development, there isn't a great stack
What do you feel is missing? Certainly there are options (something as frameworky as Fulcro, something as barebones as a React wrapper like Reagent), so there must be some itch you can't scratch?
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like Clojure, but unfortunately for web development, there isn't a great stack and for data science/ML/AI (which is a great fit for clojure), python dominates the market. What is the niche for Clojure, or why should keep using it in 2023? P.S: I like it a lot, but either I do golang or ror for web dev, or python/pytorch for data sciences/AI stuff, C# for game development. I don't think i can get more productive wit…
It is actually a great choice for unopinionated server-side web development. Frontend development is simply awesome in ClojureScript. Give me Reagent + Shadow CLJS over plain React (or React Native) any day.
>Frontend development is simply awesome in ClojureScript
Is that still tied to that google closure abomination ? I've not been in CLJ ecosystem for >5 years now but last time I used CLJS I remember they went all in on google Closure and it was a major PITA to use the rest of JS ecosystem because of it.
Every time I use React I think how it would be great to use Clojure for that, but last time I tried the tooling overhead just killed it for me.