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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.

Unless you're in video meetings most of your day. (Not judging)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking.

Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing.

Or another way to look at it - it's kinda extreme that a single straw would break a camel's back.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

Microsoft employee here. I was actually handed a MacBook Pro on day 1, I didn't even ask for it my manager at the time just assumed. There is a large community inside Microsoft using Linux as their daily driver.

That's interesting to hear. Is it only certain teams that can do that? It thought Microsoft it's doing some interesting things but I didn't think I could work there because I'd be starting to from scratch with Ms tech, like even having a workflow on my own computer

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment. But one could look at this an an opportunity to try and improve Teams. Sucks a bit short term for the people who have to use it, but if they can capture feedback (from a captive user group paid for their time) and improve it, everybody wins. I think is would be worse if they just kept polishing a turd in an ivory tower (so to speak) and let their employees use something else

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#65
post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

Why would they be forced to move to Windows if even Windows developers are not using Windows.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #50
post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

That's overtly harsh take I think. Teams has issues; but asking employees of a company to use said companies tools internally isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hard to improve without dogfooding.

That's the problem: Microsoft isn't a company. They aren't a cohesive team working on a product. They are a corporation: a group of companies with separate trends writing on separate products.

Is the GitHub team working on Teams now? I doubt it.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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uh.. i dont see the problem? They are only using it for video conferencing. day to day collab still on slack...

Slack has video conferencing. Every redundant tool a company makes workers use makes work less pleasant. I'd expect at some point they'll push them the rest of the way onto Teams, to reduce that redundancy. Which will be even worse, because Teams is so incredibly bad.

Slack video conferencing was absolutely awful and one of the main reasons we switched to Teams a couple of years back.

Is it better now?

There seem to be plenty of commenters combining Slack and Zoom so seems not. That's a redundancy right there that Teams solves.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

We talk about Microsoft here? In what era M$ was based on such idea? In 80's when Bill&Co. did whatever they could to undermine OS/2, DR-DOS & LaTex? Or in 90's when Bill's lap dogs were threatening OEM manufactures to automatically include DOS and later Windows as default operating system in their systems? Or maybe it was 2000's when Ballmer did everything it could to stop Linux and later a rather spectacular fail to stop Android/iOS with their Nokia acquisition/spin-off of WinCE? Wait wait, you talk about maybe 2010's with Nadella's "Microsoft loves Linux" BS campaign only to try again to undermine it with WSL and now WSL2? And in latest years with a string of acquisitions, GitHub included, to have access to people's greatest single skill, I mean creativity. Because software is an art and you need creativity, something that in face of current AI progression will remain our single advantage.

Lemme tell you something, the only thing that matters and ever mattered to Microsoft, regardless of decade was $$$. Nothing else. Everything else was just secondary effect.

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